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Missing desc messages

Okawix and mwEmbed lack their description messages. --fryed-peach 17:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Siebrand... can you poke someone to add those? – Nike 15:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 22:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

`Translate-desc-mwembed`

Should refer to MediaWiki. --EugeneZelenko 14:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 17:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Tatar Wikipedia interface

Hello, I am bureaucrat of Tatar Wikipedia.

We have a problem. There are two alphabets in Tatar language: Cyrillic and Latin. Cyrillic is an official alphabet, and the Latin is unofficial, it was invented in late 90-s. There were some law projects to accept the Latin alphabet as official, but they failed (read more). Almost every Tatar writes in Cyrillic.

Tatar Wikipedia was started by enthusiasts who were preferring Latin writing. So they made it a default writing, and the articles were also written in Latin.

Because of low popularity of Latin writing Tatar Wikipedia was soon left by all of its participants. So we started a new course now: we write articles in Cyrillic.

Now we need two things to be done:

Change default interface writing to tt-cyrl.
Make it possible to switch between alphabets, as in Kazakh Wikipedia.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you. --Timming 14:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

While the first is fairly easily done, the second needs some more detailed information. How is Latn and Cyrl script converted to each other? Is there a transliteration table? Are there abiguities, and how are they handled? Is there already an established algorithm that could be used? Thanks. --Purodha Blissenbach 15:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

1. Whom should we ask to make the change?

2. We are working on PHP translator script. At the moment the Cyr->Lat translator is almost completed. The question now is how it can be added to Wikipedia. --Timming 20:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe, here is a good place, but so as to go the formally correct way, I suggest to make two separate requests at Bugzilla as well, one submitting a patch to mediawiki proper, and another one in the product group Wikimedia so as to make server admins aware of the change to come - I believe that they need to make changes to the server configuration for the switch of the default script, and they need to enable automatic conversion in the configuration as well. --Purodha Blissenbach 21:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Standard fallback behaviour is 'transparant' with the source code change. I think script variants and conversion is implemented through the Language classes, which may also need no configuration changes. Just test with a language set to 'zh' or 'sr'. Siebrand 21:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. As far as I understood you are talking about our script to be submitted to the product group in order to patch the current version of wikipedia. We are going to do this as soon as script is finished. As there is no script working in both directions at the moment, at least the interface change should be done. So could you please make tt-cyrl to be default language for Tatar Wikipedia?--Timming 08:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

You could also take a look at Crimean-Tatar Wikipedia. As far as I know Don Alessandro planned to create script converter and there was draft versions for early versions of MediaWiki. However, I don't know status of it. --EugeneZelenko 14:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know Don Alessandro. Converter is not progressing at the moment, as I know. Thanks. --Timming 09:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Coll-book creator disable text

Coll-book creator disable text (“''Book creator'' will be disabled and the book you are working on will be removed.”) is too technical. --fryed-peach 17:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:55998. Siebrand 21:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Rename to empty page?

Movepagetext (“Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. You can update redirects that point to the original title automatically. If you choose not to, be sure to check for [[Special:DoubleRedirects|double]] or [[Special:BrokenRedirects|broken redirects]]. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go. Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless the latter is a redirect and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page. Note: This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.”) says Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is empty or a redirect and has no past edit history. Is this correct? Looking at Title::isValidMoveTarget(), I don't see any special handling of empty pages. --Tgr 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, the part about automatic redirects might or might not be true depending on the value of $wgFixDoubleRedirects, which is false by default and on WMF wikis. --Tgr 19:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The link to Special:BrokenRedirects doesn't make much sense either, moving a page cannot break redirects. (Well, it can if you have the suppressredirect right, but that usually means you know what you are doing.) --Tgr 19:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it can create circular redirects if there are deep redirect chains. However, theory aside, and acknowledging that messages are preferred to be simple and understandable, instead of 100% technically correct and complete, what is it you propose? Siebrand 22:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Special:BrokenRedirects lists circular references. Ideally, there should be two different messages for $wgFixDoubleRedirects on and off, with something like this:

Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. You can update redirects that point to the original title automatically. If you choose not to, be sure to check for double redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.

Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is a redirect to the old title and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page.

Warning!

This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.

(for $wgFixDoubleRedirects = true)

and

Using the form below will rename a page, moving all of its history to the new name. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. You have to update redirects that point to the original title manually. Be sure to check for double redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.

Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is a redirect to the old title and has no past edit history. This means that you can rename a page back to where it was renamed from if you make a mistake, and you cannot overwrite an existing page.

Warning!

This can be a drastic and unexpected change for a popular page; please be sure you understand the consequences of this before proceeding.

(for $wgFixDoubleRedirects = false) --Tgr 07:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Even better, the single sentence difference could be factored out into a new pair of messages.

Alternatively, you could drop the reference altogether, and instead refer to Special:Whatlinkshere (filtered to show only redirects) from the post-move message (Movepage-moved). That's user-friendlier on large wikis where Special:DoubleRedirects can contain a lot of irrelevant double redirects, or can be cached. --Tgr 08:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you take this to bugzilla:. Siebrand 22:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Login problems

Trying to log in to translatewiki results in some bogus error message about cookies not being enabled; depending on your luck, the session cookie might be set nevertheless. (If you are desperate, logging in through the API still works :) --Tgr 20:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have the same problem and I stated that the label for password of the login form is in Dutch? (= Wagwoord) instead in English. Signed by Michawiki, 23:17, 7 September 2009 (MEST)

Now it works again. --Michawiki 21:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Issues might be related to our very frequent updating and caching (updates). We regularly update 10 times or more per day, rebuilding all our messages caches, etc. Siebrand 21:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I still cannot login, I get "Login error translatewiki.net uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again." message. The "Password" string is "Wagwoord" for me, too… I've never disabled cookies, and I tried from my home computer and from my work computer, from both machine with Opera, Firefox, and IE. No luck :( 194.88.46.19 04:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC) (Glanthor Reviol)

Jes, the same issue now. Signed by Michawiki, 9:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

As a workaround, you can paste this into the adress bar, replace <<USERNAME>> and <<PASSWORD>>, and press enter:

javascript:var%20args%20%3D%20%22format%3Djson%26action%3Dlogin%26lgname%3D<<USERNAME>>%26lgpassword%3D<<PASSWORD>>%22%3B%20var%20r%20%3D%20new%20XMLHttpRequest%28%29%3B%20r.open%28%22POST%22%2C%22http%3A%2F%2Ftranslatewiki.net%2Fw%2Fapi.php%22%2C%20true%29%3B%20r.setRequestHeader%28%22Content-type%22%2C%20%22application%2Fx-www-form-urlencoded%22%29%3B%20r.setRequestHeader%28%22Content-length%22%2C%20args.length%29%3B%20r.setRequestHeader%28%22Connection%22%2C%20%22close%22%29%3B%20r.send%28args%29%3B%20void%280%29%3B

You should be logged in on next page reload. Probably does not work in IE. --Tgr 11:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Tgr. This script worked for me (and I had the same problem as the previous users, in IE and FF). Helder 16:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

So I deleted MediaWiki:yourpassword and all should be well again... Siebrand 19:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, that was not the root cause. It was only adding to the confusion. It was a severely broken refactoring of the logon form, which has been reverted. Siebrand 22:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Feature renamed in Collection

Since mwr:55938 renamed “book mode” to “book creator”, some messages in this extensions have been renamed (unfortunately the developer renamed only the English versions). Maybe it would help translators to have all following messages renamed and fuzzied in all languages:

Coll-book mode intro (“!!FUZZY!!<big>With the ''book mode'' you can create a book containing wiki pages of your choice. You can export the book in different formats (for example PDF or ODF) or order a printed copy.</big>”) → Coll-book creator intro (“<big>With the ''book creator'' you can create a book containing wiki pages of your choice. You can export the book in different formats (for example PDF or ODF) or order a printed copy.</big>”)
Coll-book mode help (“!!FUZZY!!See [[{{MediaWiki:Coll-helppage}}|the help page about books]] for more information.”) → Coll-book creator help (“See [[{{MediaWiki:Coll-helppage}}|the help page about books]] for more information.”)
Coll-start book mode (“!!FUZZY!!Start book mode”) → Coll-start book creator (“Start book creator”)
Coll-book mode text article (“Book mode text”) → Coll-book creator text article (“{{MediaWiki:Coll-helppage}}/Book creator text”)

--Mormegil 09:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Good idea. Siebrand 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

`Register err sig too long` (“`Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed length of {GVAR: FORUM_SIG_ML} characters.`”)

The message definition has the "characters" word repeated. It should be corrected. --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 11:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Good spot! I will fix it later today. Frank 12:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Frank 15:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Sync done. Siebrand 22:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Quotes in Replace Text extension

I think will be good idea to use double quotes for parameters for consistency with MediaWiki and other extensions. --EugeneZelenko 13:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Same for Changeauthor-explanation-multi, Changeauthor-explanation-single. --EugeneZelenko 14:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

All done Siebrand 22:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

`Changeauthor-changeauthors-single` and `Changeauthor-changeauthors-multi`

Should be merged, since Changeauthor-changeauthors-multi already uses PLURAL., --EugeneZelenko 14:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The messages are actually used in two different use cases, not in the same use case. Siebrand 21:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

`Mv file desc label`

The english (original) message text is "stream description messsage". I guess "message" should just have 2 letters "s". Robby 17:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 21:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Typo in Postcheck min len err

FUDforum:Postcheck min len err/en has a typo "lenght" in the second sentence. --fryed-peach 06:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Frank 12:14, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Use GENDER?

Moved to Talk:Gender#Use more GENDER?. Siebrand 22:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Lqt-delete-parent-deleted

What is $1 in Lqt-delete-parent-deleted (“Parent thread deleted ($1)”)? --Purodha Blissenbach 19:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

$1 is the reason for deletion of the parent -> wfMsg('lqt-delete-parent-deleted', $reason ). Siebrand 22:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

So you're a MediaWiki committer, you're asking questions on stuff you should be able to sort out on your own, and when answered, you're not updating the documentation? I find the a bit annoying to the point where I may start to be less helpful in the future. Siebrand 22:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it is a matter of time - If there is something I cannot do at once, I note it here just in case someone already knows and can help out quickly. I do go through replies here and process them, but usually I make translations of new/changed messages first, before I come here. So it may take a while. In this case it has been even worse. Your answer simply escaped my attentiom until just now. :-( I am sorry. --Purodha Blissenbach 21:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

$2 in coll-suggest_article_remove, coll-suggest_article_add

What is $2 in Coll-suggest article remove (“Page $1 has been removed from your book ($2).”) and in Coll-suggest article add (“Page $1 has been added to your book ($2).”), respectively? --Purodha Blissenbach 15:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

RTFS and document, please. Siebrand 17:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Rename to empty page?

Archived I suggest you take this to bugzilla:. Siebrand 22:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Bug 20591 --Tgr 10:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

+ Add Category

When editing new messages of the MediaWiki group, I get a new message "+ Add Category" at then end of the page twice. It ought to be there only once, and better not at all. --Purodha Blissenbach 19:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Please take this to bugzilla: instead of here. It's not i18n/L10n related. Thanks. Siebrand 22:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Already solved. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Translate-magic-pagename

I think the text of Translate-magic-pagename ("Extended MediaWiki translation") should be matched with the special page alias for Special:AdvancedTranslate. --fryed-peach 05:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to do so in your localisation, but we'll keep it at Special:AdvancedTranslate for now... Siebrand 22:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Mwe-error load lib

What are parameters in Mwe-error load lib? --fryed-peach 06:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Already done. --fryed-peach 16:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Just a flaw resp. minor detail

It isn't important but anyhow I feel it as a flaw: In qqq text Click on the link "show" to view messages that contain the same text as this message: [edit] [information] [show] the link "[show]" remains untranslated. As said it is a minor detail only but IMHO it should be corrected anyway. --Michawiki 12:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Already reported some months ago. The reply was, it is not easily fixed since the "[show]" and "[hide]" links are within a JavaScript that currently is not language-aware. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a user space JavaScript without translatewiki.net core support. It should be fixed in user space, if anywhere. Siebrand 22:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

`Missing-article`

This could use a link to the search for the page in the deletion log ({{fullurl:Special:Log|type=delete&page=$1}}). Also a link to the page, in case only the revision was deleted. --Tgr 06:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Slightly off topic question: what does it depend on whether parser functions work in a message or not? (I know we are not supposed to use them in the default translation, I'm trying to change it locally somewhere.) They apparently work in some cases (such as wikipedia:MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext), but I couldn't get ifexist to work in missing-article. --Tgr 16:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

We do not have an easy way to find that out unless looking it up in the source. But: whenever there is any kind of {{ … }} syntax in a messag already, then parser functions should work. Otherwise, the quickest way to find out would be to simply try it. :-( --Purodha Blissenbach 13:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I can look it up in the code, I'm just not sure what to look for. Is it wfMsg vs. wfMsgExt? --Tgr 23:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:rsd_config_error

I do not understand the sense of Rsd config error because of its ambiguity. If I understand them right, other translators choose incongruent meanings for their translations:

en: MediaWiki:Rsd config error/en

nl: MediaWiki:Rsd config error/nl

gsw: MediaWiki:Rsd config error/gsw

--Purodha Blissenbach 14:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Another way to say the same thing: "There has been an error with the Add Media Wizard Configuration. The error code is: $1" --Mdale 22:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Does that mean: There has been an error with/in the configuration of a thing, the name of which is "Add Media Wizard", a program guiding one through the single steps of adding a media file (to whatever)? --Purodha Blissenbach 09:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki Embed

What are in-out-points in these messages:

Mwe-sc inoutpoints (“Set in-out points”)
Mwe-set in out points (“Set in-out points”)
Mwe-preview inout (“Preview in-out points”)

? --Purodha Blissenbach 21:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

In-out-points are start and end times with reagards to a part of the video that should be shown. So if a video has a length of 60 seconds, the in-point can be at 10 seconds, the out-point at 40 seconds, so that the length of the fragment is 30 seconds. Siebrand 22:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, that helped. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

`Simplesearch-containing`

Can somebody give me an example, please? Thanks you! --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Go to the prototype wiki and write abortion to the search box. In addition to the suggestions of page titles (“Abortion”, “Abortion clinic”), you are also offered an option of full-text search of the term “abortion”. This option is captioned with Simplesearch-containing (“containing...”). --Mormegil 12:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

If you put a link to a message in a headline here, please suppress the message text, like this: {{msg-mw … |notext=1}}, so as to make headlines language-independent and usable in URLs. --Purodha Blissenbach 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

coll-n_pages needs PLURAL support

Coll-n pages (“$1 {{PLURAL:$1|page|pages}}”) from the Collection extension needs support for PLURAL. Thanks. --Mormegil 14:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ehr? It *does* have plural support, even in the source message. Siebrand 18:49, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, no, obviously it doesn’t. ;-) Go to [1] and see for yourself – “Show book (1 pages)”.

Hmm… OK: Yeah, it used to have proper PLURAL support, so that even the source message got PLURAL too, but since mwr:54273 changed

wfMsgExt( 'coll-n_pages', array( 'parsemag' ), $wgLang->formatNum( $numArticles ) )

to

wfMsg( 'coll-n_pages', $numArticles )

(which was later changed to the current wfMsgHtml), I guess it cannot work correctly, now. --Mormegil 22:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

wfMsgHtml sucks and its use is discouraged. I suggest you create a bugzilla: report, as the messages sussgest the plural feature works, while it does not. Siebrand 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Mormegil 10:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

`Edittoolbar-tool-replace-success`

This message needs plural support:

1 replacements made.
2 replacements made.

--Metalhead ✉ 08:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that wouldn’t be too easy… the message is only shown unprocessed in JavaScript, it cannot contain any formatting etc. IIANM, there is no support for PLURALs (GRAMMAR, GENDER, …, etc.) in MediaWiki’s JS. --Mormegil 09:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

If you put a link to a message in a headline here, please suppress the message text, like this: {{msg-mw| … |notext=1}}, so as to make headlines language-independent and usable in URLs. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Specialpages-group-highuse

I am suggesting to make a headline of the list of special pages more general, since the original of Specialpages-group-highuse (“High use pages”) talks of pages, but the list following it includes media as well - as a result I did not find the list of most used media, and was about to write a bug report asking that the list be reestablished in MediaWiki. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

bugzilla: issue. This is usability, and not i18n/L10n per se. Siebrand 22:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

`Ajax-confirm-actionsummary`

Is this message next to a drop-down input box? Lloffiwr 14:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it is followed by a static text, currently one of Ajax-add-category-summary (page does not exist), Ajax-remove-category-summary (page does not exist). --Mormegil 16:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Thank you. Info added to /qqq page. Lloffiwr 21:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Czech translation of mwlib not committed?

It seems that MWLib translation to Czech (cs) has not been committed. Can this be fixed, or do I need to ask somewhere/somebody else? Thanks, --Mormegil 16:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I need to migrate the mwlib from Mercurial to Git and do the exports. – Nike 14:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Tatar Cyrillics

I wrote here one week ago, asking to change Tatar wiki's language into tt-cyrl, but nothing has changed. Am I doing something wrong? --Timming 10:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The topic was archived: Support/Archive/2009/7#Tatar_Wikipedia_interface. Siebrand 12:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. But the question wasn't solved. Would you please make tt-cyrl to be default language for Tatar Wikipedia?--Timming 20:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Please create a bugzilla: issue for that, as was suggested in the archived topic. We need it to have a proper record. I advise to also add a link in there to a vote on tt.wp with consensus about the change. Siebrand 20:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry. Seems that I didn't get it from the first time) Thank you very much.--Timming 12:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Maximum number of special page aliases

How many aliases can be added at most per one language by Special:Magic? --fryed-peach 13:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

That's basically unlimited, although you should probably use no more than 3, and preferably only for backward compatibility. Only the first is used, as in visible in the URL in the browser, the others act as redirects. Siebrand 13:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --fryed-peach 14:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

`Lqt-thread-show-replies` should use PLURAL

I think this message should use PLURAL. --EugeneZelenko 14:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Code does already, so it is just definition. – Nike 14:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Documented. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

`Renameuser-renamed-notice` should support GENDER

This message should support GENDER. --EugeneZelenko 14:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It is likely this message addition will be reverted, as the message is about functionality that is implemented through an extension, and should not be in MediaWiki core. Siebrand 11:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Not done anyways, because it's hardly possible. The message is shown when a user does not exist, so we cannot determine his or her gender. See Article.php - public function showMissingArticle() for details.

Now, if you really think, programming that is worth someones while, please take it to bugzilla asking to look the possibly renamed user name up via the user rename log. This should be a general routine. Depending on success or not of the lookup, different (new) messages needed to be output in the showMissingArticle(), of course. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:56324. It gave me some more insight in the mess that MediaWiki core can be. Siebrand 19:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe check for an array as in mwr:54081 to be flexible --Der Umherirrende 19:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

What exactly is inflexible in mwr:56324? Siebrand 22:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

~~You right, count can handled with non-arrays. Different ways for the same result are okay. Der Umherirrende 19:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)~~

mwr:56357 --Der Umherirrende 19:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to document parameter fro GENDER? I guess it's $1. --EugeneZelenko 14:01, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 14:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It's also necessary to exlude this message from parameters check. See MediaWiki:Renameuser-renamed-notice/be-tarask as example of problem. --EugeneZelenko 13:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 14:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Idential to fallback source - de/de-formal

Please remove following message from lanague file, because there are idential to de:

It is okay, when doing this by the next update. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 18:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No automated way to do this at the moment, so not doing this for now. Siebrand 19:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay. It is a bad idea to edit the language file before commit it to svn? Der Umherirrende 19:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it sufficient to delete these messages from {{SITENAME}? --Purodha Blissenbach 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it is not, but I have other things to do. Siebrand 22:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Done (on next export) Siebrand 14:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

userdailycontribs-desc

Is Userdailycontribs-desc (“User daily contributions for the click tracking extension”) referring to (1) one single user, or (A) all users in gerneral? --Purodha Blissenbach 05:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a plural, used in the extension description for Special:Version. Siebrand 07:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

ŧhank you. --Purodha Blissenbach 09:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

`File-info-gif-looped`

Does somebody know what other messages are used with this one, or how this message is used? There is no particular hurry with this query. Lloffiwr 12:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Support/Archive/2009/6#New MediaWiki messages. helps? --fryed-peach 13:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Only partly. I was hoping to learn what the context of 'looped' is. In particular, what message comes before it, or is it a variable in another message? Lloffiwr 19:30, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Looped means repeating in the context of an animated gif. It is a sequence of image in one, each displayed after the other, and the first one displayed after the last, in a never ending loop. Siebrand 19:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I now understand what looped means. But I would like to know what comes before 'looped'. The translation depends on the whole sentence surrounding the word. If it is difficult to find out where this message appears then I will just guess. Lloffiwr 20:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

See File:Mouse10.gif for the message in action ("Mouse10.gif‎ (image/gif, 10 KB, looped, 2 frames, 2.0s)"). Siebrand 20:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Great! Will add link to example to relevant /qqq pages in due course. Lloffiwr 21:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

`Math IllegalCommandInMathModeWithHint`

Missed dot at the end of first sentence. --EugeneZelenko 14:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Same for Math IllegalCommandInTextModeWithHint. --EugeneZelenko 14:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Done (both). Siebrand 14:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Okawix:Okawix.sb.askPath

Okawix.sb.askPath (“Please give the path where corpus should be copied”) This message does not say whether the copy operation is going to be to or from this directory. While it may be possible in English to use this message for either case, it cannot be translated without specifying a direction. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Documented Siebrand 18:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

`Coll-suggest article add`, `Coll-suggest article ban` and `Coll-suggest article remove`

Why these messages use HTML formatting, not MediaWiki one? --EugeneZelenko 14:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Unknown. There are a commercial party behind this extension that handles issue reports pretty well. Please make a report in bugzilla:. Siebrand 18:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

wm-license-cc-free, and wm-license-cc-conditions should support PLURAL

The contents of Wm-license-cc-free (“You are free:”) and Wm-license-cc-conditions (“Under the following conditions:”) look like being followed by a list of freedom(s), one has. This should require using PLURAL in some languages. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

That's not possible. These messages are used as is as building blocks of license templates. I suggest you use an undetermined plural form. Siebrand 18:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

As already stated here and there, we don't have that for cases where only one list item is there. But we can often use singular forms, when a dependant listing of only definite single items follows, provided the're countable, and not plurali tanti, or they're verbs (not being used as nouns) referring to a single persons single activity each. So I'm fine. I was only believing that, this is not likely as easy a case in other languages. --Purodha Blissenbach 23:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

(1) So we can say: "You have the right to do : (a) (b) (c)"

(2) and we cannot say: "You have three rights to do : (a) (b) (c)"

(3) but we can say: "You have three rights: to do (a), to do (b), and to do (c)"

While (1) and (3) are not completely equivalent, they usually could be used interchangeably. This lucky setting exists with many abstract "things", and actions, and when the English word "each" appears in front of the list, but seldomly otherwise. --Purodha Blissenbach 00:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

`Start-date`, `End-date`

Why build-in date formatting functions are not used in this case? It's definitely wrong from localization point of view. --EugeneZelenko 13:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a data mining/reporting interface. I suggest you create a bugzilla:. Siebrand 14:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

`Call-text`

This message uses HTML instead of MediaWiki formatting. Also will be good idea to use double quotes instead of single quotes for consistency with other messages. --EugeneZelenko 13:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

We have no knowledge about this extension. I suggest you create a report in bugzilla:. Thanks. Siebrand 18:02, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

layout/line-break

How/where can I change the layout of a standard-page (or where can I read about how to do it)?

Specifically, I need a line-break after each "Show/Hide" on Recent Changes, My contributions, User contributions, etc. -- " " seems to be treated as text rather than a line-break... the phrases can get quite long in Navajo, when added up extend into the second line, and make it look messy. Seb az86556 06:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Please translate as it is. If this created an accessibility issue, please report that in bugzilla:. Siebrand 18:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Local MediaWiki:Pipe-separator

For some reason the separator symbol is displayed as • on contributions pages (example). I would replace the entity with Unicode symbol • myself, but maybe you know a better/proper solution. - AlexSm 15:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

That was a code issue; no need to change the message. Fixed in mwr:56549. Siebrand 17:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

That also occurs where instances of MediaWiki:Viewprevnext are used, such as the header and footer of page histories and user contributions. --fryed-peach 18:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Please refer to URLs, so we can observe what you observe. I have no idea what you mean. Siebrand 18:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

See MediaWiki:Viewprevnext/qqq: At bottom of a Search Result, My Contributions, history, Special:Log, Special:WhatLinksHere/Main Page --Der Umherirrende 19:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Most, if not all have the same origin (Pager::getNavigationBar()). Looking into that. Siebrand 11:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I chose the easy way out, because there are a lot of hoops to jump through to properly fix this, and I wasn't able to pass the course. So using "•" now... Siebrand 21:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

`Makebot-desc`, `Makesysop-desc`, `Right-makebot` and `Right-makesysop`

These don't seem to be treated as messaegs here as original message and other such are missing next to translating box. Apparently it's an issue as I noticed with today's update to Wikimedia wikis that translations from /et subpages created weren't transfered. Pikne 17:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

We do not support the obsolete MakeBot and MakeSysop. Tell the WMF to get rid of it, please. Siebrand 18:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by obsolete? They are all in use on English Wikipedia for instance. Pikne 18:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

They are in fact obsolete, and because of that they have not been supported here for well over a year. No need discussing it, their status will not change. Siebrand 18:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

But any advice how to have translations for these messages in Wikimedia translation files? I mean not by message being added on each Estonian language wiki, but globally. For instance setting ?uselang=de on Estonian Wikipedia provides German translations for these messages. Vice versa setting ?uselang=et on German Wikipedia doesn't provide Estonian translations. Pikne 19:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Create a patch file and create an issue report in bugzilla: and ask a developer to manually commit translations to any of these obsolete extensions? Alternatively, ask why bugzilla:14156 hasn't been processed in the past 18 months. Siebrand 21:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, but right-makesysop and right-makebot are used on userrights page suggested in this bug as an alternative to extensions in question. Pikne 08:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Extension now disabled on WMF. Will be deleted from trunk after next branch. Siebrand 22:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Lqt-feed-*

Approximately every 2nd one of the new messages Lqt-feed-* should have GENDER support. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm having trouble approximating in your domain. Cannot compute. Siebrand 18:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Lqt-feed-title-all-from (“{{SITENAME}} — New posts from $1”), Lqt-feed-title-new-threads-from (“{{SITENAME}} — New threads from $1”), Lqt-feed-title-replies-from (“{{SITENAME}} — Replies from $1”), --Purodha Blissenbach 19:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Have you read the message documentation? Are you still of the opinion that these messages need GENDER? Siebrand 21:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

When I translated them, I did not see any documentation (yet, I believe), so I gonna read them now ;=) --Purodha Blissenbach 01:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, having documentation is good. I had misunderstood most of these messages. You will notice that I rewrote most of them. Now, there are only two left, needing GENDER support:

Lqt-feed-new-thread-intro (“New thread on $1 posted by {{GENDER:$4|$2}}”), and
Lqt-feed-reply-intro (“Reply to $3 (on $1) posted by {{GENDER:$4|$2}}”).

--Purodha Blissenbach 01:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Done with revision 56578. --Purodha Blissenbach 02:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Mainpagetext/en

This message is using deprecated markup, it should be updated. --Locos epraix 23:24, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

What's the problem? Siebrand 05:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

<big>, but that is not i18n issue really. If anything needs changing it is the parser, so bugzilla:. – Nike 09:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

There is already a bug. The message probably should be changed to something like '''MediaWiki has been successfully installed.''' Locos epraix 15:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed with revision 56812. --Purodha Blissenbach 12:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Problems with edit page

[13:09:35] RoanKattouw> Yeah that's a known bug, the new toolbar dialogs aren't very compatible with JS2 yet

So that's it, if you wonder. – Nike 10:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

`Math UnexpectedNextCell` and other

I think will be good idea to use ellipsis in these messages instead of "...". --EugeneZelenko 14:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a bad idea: mwr:49019#code-comments, but you can use the ellipse in your language, there is no problem. --Der Umherirrende 14:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

parser function sub

in magic word function sub is coming at two times so, is it the same function or different than earlier sub given in the core. Am I supposed to have different values give separate translation values to both of them ? Sory I am a non technical fellow so please let me know.माहीतगार 15:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

We do not have translation hints for magic words; I'll add that to a feature request list. "sub" as a core magic word stands for subscript (example: subscript gives _subscript). "sub" in string/parser functions returns a substring (example: {{#sub:Icecream|3|0}} returns "cream"). Core magic words can be used in translatewiki.net, string functions cannot. Siebrand 09:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Localisation of feedback form

This is a copy of a query left on the usability initiative.

The intro to the feedback form does not at present say which language any respondent should use to write their responses. All the messages making up the feedback form are included for translation. But if the questions are all translated then you can expect narrative answers to be provided in the language of the question. Are you translating any non-English replies at all? Are you binning any non-English replies? If you can only cope with narrative replies in English then we should add a note to that effect to the intro message. If feedback is being received in other languages then could you let the translators at translatewiki.net know which are OK to use? With best wishes. Lloffiwr 18:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

We do not know how the UI processes the comments it gets. We assume that anyone can provide feedback in any language, unless stated otherwise (and the latter is not the case). Siebrand 09:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not convinced that assuming that feedback can be provided in any language is the best assumption. The thing is this. If I were reading a question not in English, then I would assume that the answer should be written in that language, and would not use English at all. I would then be disappointed and annoyed if I found out later that nobody could use my feedback because it could not be translated. For this reason, until we hear from the usability initiative, I would rather work on the assumption that they can't deal with any narrative replies not in English. I am not going to translate the feedback form messages (at least the ones needing a narrative answer) until we hear from the Usability Initiative. Lloffiwr 18:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

You're talking in the wrong forum. Please approach the Usability Initiative... Siebrand 22:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Masseditregextext

I do not think that referring users to the Documentation of a php function without providing a link is a good idea in Masseditregextext (“Enter one or more regular expressions (one per line) for matching, and one or more expressions to replace each match with. The first match-expression, if successful, will be replaced with the first replace-expression, and so on. See [https://php.net/function.preg-replace the PHP function preg_replace()] for details.”). --Purodha Blissenbach 18:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Link added with revision 56727. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Activerecord.attributes.user.display name

Is "display" in Activerecord.attributes.user.display name (“Display Name”) a verb? --Purodha Blissenbach 06:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

No. It is "user name". See http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new --ajvol 08:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Komi-Permyak language support

Please add the support of translation in Komi-Permyak language. ISO 693-3 Code is koi. Native name is "Перем Коми". I request that because of new wikipedia request at meta. --амдф 15:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 22:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

OSM - PLURAL template

Can the team of translatewiki.net contact and influence the OSM team that they merge separate strings for singular and plural forms? As you know there are languages that use more than 2 forms. OSM should use the PLURAL template instead. --Michawiki 18:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Working on it. It wont be exactly the same as what MediaWiki has but something similar. – Nike 18:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

OSM - difference between TRACE and TRACK

Does anybody know what the difference is between TRACE and TRACK in OSM? Translations in other languages are pretty inconsistent. Some translators simply use the English words but partially inconsistently, too. German translation uses TRACK both for English TRACE and TRACK. --Michawiki 12:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

A trace (if I understood the context) is a sequence of positions, usually recorded by a GPS device. These are uploaded to OSM are can be viewed on the map. A track is a kind of "road" which is usually unpaved and narrow, for agricultural or leisure purposes (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Track). HTH, Malafaya 18:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Malafaya. Thank you for your answer. But I have the impression that TRACK doesn't denote such a form of way here. I think German and all other languages which use the English word TRACK as translation have own words for those ways. So why use the English word? And why both for TRACE and TRACK? Seems to me that other translators don't know the exact difference, either. Your mother tongue is Portuguese. I think you would have similar difficulties to decide. I think possible translations for TRACE or TRACK may be rasto, via, caminho, percurso, pegada, pista, traço or simply linha?. Maybe more yet. But which word you would use for which English word? Regards, --Michawiki 20:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

In Finnish we used the same terms that are used in Graph Theory, just FYI. – Nike 06:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

OSM - identical to english message

In 'de' I have seen many message, that where identical to english message. Was this a import problem? Or were the message in english in source file? For example: Osm:Oauth clients.show.key/de --Der Umherirrende 18:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Those were present in the source file; can't do anything about that. My advice in any case is to review all current translations first before making new ones. This will provide you with some terminology, as well as enable you to do a consistency check at the same time. Cheers! Siebrand 19:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

false positive errors

These messages have false positives warnings when using the parameter $2 for PLURAL:

Lqt-feed-title-all-from (“{{SITENAME}} — New posts from $1”)
Lqt-feed-title-new-threads-from (“{{SITENAME}} — New threads from $1”)
Lqt-feed-title-replies-from (“{{SITENAME}} — Replies from $1”)

--Purodha Blissenbach 21:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Solved. by someone, not me. --Purodha Blissenbach 17:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

mwr:56929 --Der Umherirrende 18:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

E-mails in OSM

Text of e-mail messages is glued in OSM and disperesed accross several messages. I think will be good idea to merge them in complete messages as in MediaWiki, so translations will be less error-prone. --EugeneZelenko 14:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Has been raised to OSM devs. Siebrand 20:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Unusedimagestext/hi

Please revert my (null)edit for the message MediaWiki:Unusedimagestext/hi and do not list my name as translator in language file. I cannot do this, the undo feature produce no new version and copy the old text and save produce no new Version. I do not know how the problem. Maybe it is my browser (IE7). Thank you very much. Der Umherirrende 13:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the reason, MediaWikis diff engine does not see your edit as a null edit. :-(

I have reverted it, but I cannot remove your name (and my name, now, too) from the edit history. Imho that is not brilliant, but tolerable. --Purodha Blissenbach 15:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

`Perfcachedts`

What is the variable $1 in this message and is it one of the variables that needs changing into separate date and time variables? Lloffiwr 18:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It is used on Cached-special page, like wikipedia:Special:WantedTemplates. And yes, split of time and date is a good idea. Der Umherirrende 18:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 22:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

`Filepageexists`

The link at the bottom contains "thumb". I suppose this is to be kept as "thumb" and not to be translated if a thumbnail is to be generated. If I'm correct, could someone ammend the description and make it clearer? Thanks, Malafaya 18:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

done --Der Umherirrende 18:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

When I put the mouse over the star for watch or unwatch this page the tooltip text remains always the same "Remove this page from your watchlist", even if I click the star. Helder 14:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Also the action=watch does not change. I believe this is a bug and should be reported on bugzilla. --Purodha Blissenbach 17:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Only Vector skin: mwr:56924 --Der Umherirrende 17:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

`Blocklogentry`

A question, because I cannot find it in the source code: Is Infiniteblock (“infinite”) used for paramter $2? When the block is not infinity, is the text of $2 the input text from the form? Thanks for completion the documentation. --Der Umherirrende 17:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Siebrand 23:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

`Blocklog-showlog` and `Blocklog-showsuppresslog` should support GENDER

These messages should support GENDER. --EugeneZelenko 13:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sp-contributions-blocked-notice also --Der Umherirrende 14:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:56999, [[mwr:57000]. Siebrand 23:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Flvhandler desc

In Flvhandler desc (“Allow Flash Video (.flv) files to be added as standard files (e.g. <nowiki>[[</nowiki>{{ns:file}}:Movie.flv<nowiki>]]</nowiki>)”), there is [[File:Movie.flv]] inside <nowiki> tags. Imho it should be translated, and not marked as missing link and not be fuzzied, when translated. --Purodha Blissenbach 16:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 13:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

`Masseditregex-hint-headmatch`

Is Match here a verb or a noun? The meaning would be different for Lower and Upper Sorbian. --Michawiki 13:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Noun. This is a column header for the 'match' regexes. Siebrand 13:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Please, rename my account

Please, change my username to Don Alessandro. This is my unified username in Wikimedia projects. Thank you. Alessandro 21:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

If you want your account renamed, it is not a good idea to create your new account name. Then it is no longer possible to rename, only to merge.

Merged. Siebrand 13:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

`Flv-long-desc`

I think Flash Video should be used as format name (see Flvhandler desc). --EugeneZelenko 14:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 13:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

`Babel-autocreate-text-levels` and `Babel-autocreate-text-main`

Translation of these messages on Belarusian/Russian depends on language name (for example, русский язык but язык Эсперанто). --EugeneZelenko 14:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no way around this. Gender of the language names is not known. Siebrand 13:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Masseditregex-hint-toappend

Masseditregex-hint-toappend (“Append some text to the end of the page - great for adding pages to categories”) refers to one page being altered, and pages being added to categories via that amendment. This may be seen as inconsistent and may lead to wrong or ambiguous translations. --Purodha Blissenbach 18:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

That may be. Please use bugzilla:, or mw:, as the extension developer will not read this page. Siebrand 13:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

`Blocklogentry`

Why has the message Blocklogentry (“blocked [[$1]] with an expiration time of $2 $3”) a wikilink for $1? I think it is wrong, because the parameter is always a link to user page, talk page and contributions and so the wikilink is not needed. By Unblocklogentry (“unblocked $1”) is no wikilink --Der Umherirrende 19:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Unknown. If you think there is a logic issue, please report it in bugzilla:. Changing log entry messages is not trivial. Siebrand 13:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Translations into Kalmyk (xal)

Hello, I have a question regarding problem of translation into languages of national minorities.

Kalmyk speakers in Russia generally don't know their mother tongue very well, but at the same time are excellent speakers in Russian. Another problem is actual absense of many modern words sush as 'file', 'browser', 'chat', language's and nation's names and so on. Our Kalmyk online community tries to establish connection with regulating organizations of Kalmyk language. But reply is that they did't explored this issue perfectly.

Since that, it is necessary base Kalmyk l10n/i18n on Russian one, maybe to set Russian as source language for translations. Am I allowed to do that? (For example, I saw the Chechen (ce) l10n of Mediawiki (see [2]) where "missing" (i.e. untranslated) system messages are presented in Russian.) If I can, how to do that? Thanks a lot, — Хуучин 21:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Вы хотите, чтобы вместо непереведённых на калмыцкий язык сообщений интерфейса показывался русский перевод, а не английский, я правильно понял? Если так, то пропросите установить русский язык в качестве fallback для калмыцкого.

As far as I understand Huuchin requests Russian to be set as a fallback for Kalmyk. Alessandro 21:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Thanks more! --Хуучин 21:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Именно так. Ещё раз спасибо! --Хуучин 21:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 14:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Related:

If you have to use words like "browser" from non-Kalmyk vocabulary, you should usually mark them as such for the sake of technical acuracy. For example use: browser, or: браузер, or whatever else. Mediawikis message handling sometimes does not allow that. Please help lobbying to establish as a standard that all messages support properly marked foreign language words! Point to the page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n#Expect_untranslated_words when giving hints. Спасибо! --Purodha Blissenbach 07:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Not all messages are in context that allows html markup and there is nothing we can do for it. – Nike 07:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't say, we could'nt do anything. We can "bug the devs" to raise the awareness that something has to be done to fix it — after all, we're emitting wrong xhtml at the moment, we fool search engines, and we send screen readers astray — and we could, and imho should, rewrite parts of the message handling. So as to make MediaWiki truly multilingual, I currently believe there is no way around that partial rewrite, but that isn't final a say yet. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide more explanation (non-technical) on why foreign-language words should be marked as such? Is there an argument for recommending this mark-up for foreign-language words in articles as well as messages? If so, is it possible to put this mark-up around the titles of articles? I am thinking that if this important enough, I might try to make a recommendation about this in the 'style' help page on my home wiki, and potentially on Mediawiki too. Lloffiwr 11:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Surely. In a nutshell, we have these reasons to language-tag foreign language words, sentences, or sections:

The current technical specifications of the html/xhtml/xml standards suggest/recommend/require to mark the content language(s) at various places. Not doing so would violate the standard, and be incorrect. Since MediaWiki marks its entire pages as being in the wiki language, all deviations from the wiki language must be marked, too.
Not marking the non-wiki languages makes search engines incorectly assume a wrong language for parts of the page content, which thus will not be found in language-aware searches. This will become more important in the future. Theasaurus orientated searches will totally fail with wrong language information.
Automated screen readers need to know the language they are reading in order to feed their speech synthesizers with the correct phoneme libraries. orthographic, and reading rules. If they do not have the correct language, they often produre gibberish. Currently they are more or less an issue for handicapped, The future will bring us many devices having integrated speech synthesizers, such as tv sets and various types of small mobile ones, so we will hardly be able to do without supporting them.

How to mark languages in wiki pages?

Many, if not most, Wikipedias, Meta, Commons, Wikiversities, Wiktionaries have a template {{lang|iso-code|text}} which you can use to mark a piece of text inline as belonging to a language having iso-code.
There are also other means, including {{iso-code|text}} generating sections of a specific language.
I do not have a clue how one would correctly language tag page titles. This is one of the tasks to be solved during the ongoing development to make MediaWiki truly multilingual, which is still quite some way to go.

Hopefully, I was able to help. Let me know, if you need more information, please. --Purodha Blissenbach 23:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Done thank you for the info. I will write something up on my home wiki sometime. Lloffiwr 18:14, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

OSM - inconsistent capitalisation

It may be of no big concern: Diary entry.list.no entries (page does not exist), Diary entry.in language title (page does not exist), and Diary entry.list.new (page does not exist) and few similar others inconsistently mostly use initial capitals, and at times use minuscules. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Please report in the OSM tracker. There are no OSM web developers active here. Siebrand 13:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

`Viewapc-display-creation time`, `Viewapc-display-deletion time`, `Viewapc-display-mtime`

ViewAPC View host stats (top part of page)

ViewAPC View host stats (bottom part of page)

What these messages refer to? What is subject? Please add to documentation. --EugeneZelenko 13:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

The message names may help you. --fryed-peach 14:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Special:ViewAPC may help (although you are not allowed to see all possible functionality). Siebrand 14:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, message names are unclear, Special:ViewAPC doesn't seems to have links to particcular part.

And there are also 2 similar sets of messages Viewapc-ls-header and Viewapc-ls-sort.

EugeneZelenko 13:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I made some screenshots. Feel free to document whatever you can from them. Siebrand 21:02, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

From first screenshot I could guess that this may be file or (cache) entry. However will be good idea to address this question to person who know what APC is (extension developer?). --EugeneZelenko 14:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Did someone call? Apc only caches php files as opcodes, and any random data that the application (in this case MediaWiki) wants to store in it. The similar set of messages are (IRCC) table headers and options in the sort by dropdown selection. – Nike 06:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

In this case, I think most generic term should be entry (or cache entry. --EugeneZelenko 14:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Explanation of 'content page'

Have attempted an explanation of 'content page' on MediaWiki:Articlepage/qqq. Is this correct? Couldn't find an explanation on any help page or glossary page in a few wikis I explored but I am sure that I have seen a definition somewhere! Are files normally included in 'content pages' or not? Lloffiwr 16:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure this message is referring to the same set of pages with word content. It is used for NS_MAIN and any other non-standard namespace and this message is only used in skins Nostalgia, Cologneblue and Standard in the bottomLinks part. Should perhaps we reworded to avoid confusion. – Nike 06:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. I have amended the qqq page for Mediawiki:Articlepage according to the above. I haven't tried rewording the message - not confident that I understand it well enough.

But I have had another go at drafting an explanation of 'content page' as used on the Statistics special page and the Search special page (where I assume they have the same definition!). The explanation put on Statistics-articles is as follows-

A 'content page' is a page that forms part of the purpose of the wiki. It includes the main page and pages in the main namespace and any other namespaces that are included when the wiki is customised. For example on Wikimedia Commons 'content pages' include pages in the file and category namespaces. On Wikinews 'content pages' include pages in the Portal namespace. For technical definition of 'content namespaces' see Mediawiki.

Possible alternatives to the word 'content' are 'subject matter' or 'wiki subject' or 'wiki purpose'.

Any corrections or improvements would be welcome. Lloffiwr 13:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

DST for Asia/Dhaka

Please add/enable DST for Asia/Dhaka. Please see http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/bangladesh-daylight-saving-2009.html for the details.--Bellayet 17:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Please make a report for this in bugzilla:. Siebrand 17:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

DST data comes from PHP, which uses system libraries. Are you talking about some particular server? – Nike 06:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

`Movepage-page-moved`

For the message Movepage-moved, we have two optional parameters: $3 e $4. According to MediaWiki:Movepage-moved/qqq, they correspond to the page names without links.

I would like to have the same parameters for Movepage-page-moved, in order to be able to create a text like this:

When I tried to use that at pt.wb, moving Usuário:Heldergeovane/1 to Usuário:Heldergeovane/2 with its subpages Usuário:Heldergeovane/1/A and Usuário:Heldergeovane/1/B, I got the following:

<div class="plainlinks"> A página Usuário:Heldergeovane/1/A ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/$3|links]] | [http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$3&action=delete apagar]) foi movida para Usuário:Heldergeovane/2/A ([http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$4&action=edit editar] | [http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$4&action=history histórico] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/$4|links]] | [http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Movepage&wpOldTitle=%244&wpNewTitle=%243&wpReason=revert&wpMovetalk=1 reverter] | [[Special:Log/move|registro]]) </div>

I mean, the html tags where also not interpreted and the html source was:

<li>&lt;div class="plainlinks"&gt;
A página <a href="/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:Heldergeovane/1/A&amp;redirect=no" title="Usuário:Heldergeovane/1/A">Usuário:Heldergeovane/1/A</a> &lt;small&gt;([[Special:WhatLinksHere/$3|links]] | &lt;span id="specialDeleteLink"&gt;[http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$3&amp;action=delete apagar]&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/small&gt; foi movida para <a href="/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Heldergeovane/2/A" title="Usuário:Heldergeovane/2/A">Usuário:Heldergeovane/2/A</a> &lt;small&gt;([http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$4&amp;action=edit editar] | [http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=$4&amp;action=history histórico] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/$4|links]] | [http://pt.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Movepage&amp;wpOldTitle=%244&amp;wpNewTitle=%243&amp;wpReason=revert&amp;wpMovetalk=1 reverter] | [[Special:Log/move|registro]])&lt;/small&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;</li>

Thanks! Helder 13:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Not possible since the message has html links, which prevents using anything that depends on variables. Bugzilla perhaps? – Nike 06:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Messages do not have unlimited flexibility. It looks like you ran into a limitation. Please also be aware that the default mesasges that are translated here work perfectly. MediaWiki support can be gotten on #mediawiki in Freenode's IRC channels, or on mw:. Cheers! Siebrand 13:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Upper Sorbian active in OSM! But with some issues

Great! Upper Sorbian is now an active language for the OSM interface. But I saw some issues. Seems that dimensions in OSM interface are quite static. Some elements overlap each other. Sorbian words are often longer than English words. So on main page of OSM the main menu on top has 2 rows in Upper Sorbian instead of 1 row like in English OSM. I'll try to shorten the Upper Sorbian translations but this won't be always possible. I hope the OSM team can modify the OSM source code in this way that dimensions are variable. --Michawiki 22:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a usability issue that should be addressed in the OpenStreetMap bug tracker. Can't do that from here. Siebrand 23:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --Michawiki 23:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Context of translatable messages

Would it be possible to display contexts for messages awaiting translation at Special:Translate? In some cases it is difficult to translate messages in isolation. For example, there is no single word for "Yes" or "No" in Celtic languages, so these English messages need to be translated based on what is being responded to. Hopefully I'm deducing right from the set of messages, but it's hard to be sure. -- Shimmin Beg 10:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Context can be added and is displayed - if available - in the translation details. If there is any specific use you need to have clarified that has not been documented yet, please ask here. Siebrand 13:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I was hoping there might be a simple way to make it happen automatically. The ones that struck me particularly were optin-survey-yes and optin-survey-no. I've assumed these are responses to optin-submit-feedback and translated accordingly. It was more of a "heads up" than major problems so far. Cheers. -- Shimmin Beg 10:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Lqt from talk

Lqt from talk (“From $1”) should suport GENDER. --Purodha Blissenbach 16:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

The user talk page has different genders? The users have, the pages themselves have not. Siebrand 13:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

As I understood it, the user name is mentioned. Wether or not the user name is part of his or her talk page reference is of marginal or no importance. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

A talk page is referenced. That may be a user talk page, or any other talk page. If you think you need gender for that, I suggest you implement it yourself. Siebrand 16:25, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The example "User:talk:foo" in the message documentation made me believe, there were only user talk pages being referred to. Tx for unveiling ;-) that it could be any talk page, which allows a genderless reference like "from the page $2".

Done. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Possible problem in MediaWiki:Right-todosubmit/en

Shouldn't it be something like "Send new items to user's todo list"? The current description seems to copy the comment in file, "Can restrict who can submit new items as well", which seems to describe the right from the extension installer's POV. – rotemliss – Talk 20:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to change. I suggest checking the code at least, or installing and testing the extension. Siebrand 13:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

OSM - hardcoded word

In the Map Key (Legend) of OSM some entries are linked by the English word and. This word is not in the messages list here in translatewiki.net. So this English word appears between words in another language - in my case between Upper Sorbian words. There should be an additional message for translating this word and. --Michawiki 23:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Please report in the OSM bug tracker. There are no OSM coders active here. Siebrand 13:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually to translate stuff like that you need to localize the rails-i18n project. Here's an example of me localizing it into Icelandic].

The best way to do so is to get the rails-i18n git repository on github and add a new locale to it. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 14:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ævar. I am new there. How can I create a locale there? I saw that there are files with .yml extension and files with .rb extension. What is the right one? --Michawiki 20:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

`Edittoolbar-tool-table-toomany` should use PLURAL

These message should use PLURAL. --EugeneZelenko 13:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

JavaScript engine in MediaWiki has no plural support yet. Will be added when it is available. Siebrand 14:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

See bug 20968, it asks for this support to be added. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

`Ct-change-graph`

In this message what is "change", a verb or a noun? --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 17:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe, it is a verb, because about a dozen translations made it so.--Purodha Blissenbach 19:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This is button text. I always interprete that as a verb. Siebrand 14:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Ct-title

Does Ct-title (“Aggregated user clicks”) refer to a single user, or some users, or all users? --Purodha Blissenbach 18:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This is the special page title. I assume it refers to 'all users'. Siebrand 14:24, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

`Translate-manage-modlang-new`

Please tell, what doese the word «new» in this message refer to? (to the language, or translation, or to the file?) --Jim-by 07:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

To a language. It will allow to import a new language's translations from source into the database. Siebrand 14:19, 1

OSM Potlatch - `A way`

What does the parameter $1 mean here? --Michawiki 09:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The same applies to message A poi. --Michawiki 10:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I've added message documentation to these two. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 11:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

`Lqt-quote-intro`

Message Lqt-quote-intro (“On $2 at $3, [[User:$1|$1]] wrote:”) should support GENDER. "wrote" in Polish has two forms: "napisał" for masculine and "napisała" for feminine. Leinad 14:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Not possible. This message is used in JavaScript. Siebrand 16:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Request submitted as bug 20968. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

`Wah-uploading`

I suppose that parameter 1 is the file's name. Am I wrong? --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 18:54, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Correct. Siebrand 19:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Imho, Wah-notoken-login (“Are you logged in? If not, please log in first.”) appears to be too technical. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Adjusted. Siebrand 07:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

problem with upgrading hebrew MediaWiki

Hi, for some reason, after I upgraded my MW that has Hebrew, I got gibberish text. Can someone help me? Greg--192.118.11.120 21:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

We do not deal with support on this level. Please go to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Help . Good luck! Siebrand 19:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Broken link in sitenotice

Second link in sitenotice goes to out-osm group, should be out-osm-site. --Tgr 13:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for the report. – Nike 13:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Link to portal on main page

Shouldn't there be a link to the portal on the main page? The one in the sidebar is not very visible, and the portal might contain important stuff like language-specific conventions and preferred vocabulary which a new translator should see before he starts working. I suggest a new section above Help, called Community or Collaboration or something like that, containing a link to the portal of that language. --Tgr 14:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a link to the portals in the sidebar. 5th link in the 2nd section. Siebrand 19:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Which is, as I said, not very visible. Most mainpage links exist in the sidebar too -- there is no reason to avoid overlaps. --Tgr 22:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason to change. Siebrand 22:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki prefix

Could an “Openstreetmap:” prefix be introduced (like on meta:Interwiki map) now we can translate the project here? Thanks --Mormegil 16:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 20:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

`[rgn]` Rumagnôl (Romagnol)

My friends and me want to localise messages in Romagnol, but translatewiki.net does not know and support our language. How can we do?
--sentruper 21:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Ask and thy shall be heard. Siebrand 22:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Interwiki local/en

I don't understand, what exactly this message mean as a column header? Is it determine wiki as local or what? --Jim-by 08:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

See Interwiki local intro (“An HTTP request to the local wiki with this interwiki prefix in the URL is:”) and following. There is a legende at the top of the page Special:Interwiki before the list starts. It explains all the column headers in some detail. If you do not understand each and all of it, please come back and ask for the explanations to be made better. --Purodha Blissenbach 13:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

But how can i convey it in one word as a column header? --Jim-by 07:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

You must find a proper short form for it, else it will cause an uggly wide column. When I added the legende box at the top of the page, we had basically two kinds of translations:

using a short word which noone would understand, who did not already know what the yes/no flags meant, or
using a one or two sentence explanation causing an uggly page layout, and too often not even being more understandable.

If nothing else helps, I suggest to just mark or number the two yes/no columns, for example using (a) and (b), or (A) and (B), or (1) and (2), or something like that, for their headers and in the legende.

People who do not already know, and do not read the explanations, are out of luck. That is to be accepted. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --Jim-by 11:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

OSM - deleted messages?

Did anybody delete following messages?

javascripts.map.base.mapnik
javascripts.map.base.osmarender
javascripts.map.overlays.maplint

These messages are used on maps of OSM in an expandable box appearing after clicking the plus sign (+) to the very right of the map. Now these message names are displayed instead of their texts which are the words: Mapnik, Osmarender and Maplint. If English is used as language those messages correctly work.

There is still another issue: The contents of the Map Key (Legend) is not displayed any more on OpenStreetMap if the selected language is not English. The mentioned missing messages could be the cause. I tested this with Upper Sorbian, German and Dutch as selected languages. In the *.yml files of these languages (hsb.yml, de.yml and nl.yml) on Subversion these messages are missing, in the English file en.yml they exist. And for English the Map Key is displayed, for the other languages not. --Michawiki 23:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Cannot reproduce. – Nike 06:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I assume you tested in Finnish. Indeed, Finnish works. There are still 2 further such messages in en.yml: javascripts.map.base.cycle_map and javascripts.map.base.noname. For Upper Sorbian, German and Dutch they were translated. And they exist in the corresponding yml file, hsb.yml, de.yml resp. nl.yml. In fi.yml all those messages do not exist. They have not been translated. And for Finnish the May Key (Legend) is displayed. Maybe that either all those messages must be in yml file or none of them, or none of them must not be translated. --Michawiki 11:14, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

maybe js does not yet have proper fallback. i'll let the devs know. Siebrand 16:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Now it works again, the text of those messages and the map key text are displayed again in OSM. Thank you, --Michawiki 17:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

request undelete obsolete message into new title

According to User talk:Siebrand#leaving obsolete message undeleted, but marked as obsolete, could you please restore all deleted revisions of the pages,

and rename them to new title (may be something like Obsolete/MediaWiki:Sp-translate-data-SkinNames/th), then delete the original title. I need them for historical reason. --Ans 14:35, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

You can of course try again, but I will repeat from my talk page: Not doing that, because it may disrupt current state. Feel free to start over. Siebrand 09:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

P.s. actually translating messages will have a higher reward. Siebrand 15:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

To rename and delete the original title also disrupt the current state? --Ans 14:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Ans, what exactly do you want? If you only want the most recent message texts, which are now inaccessible to general public, I can get you copies of those. Do you want the edit history? If so, would an XML dump of these messages including their history do for you? Renaming the former message pages is imho a bad idea, but having copies, for example as subpages of your user page, or the th portal page, or elsewhere in the web, is imho not a problem. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I need them for public references and tracking the changes. Those old translations can be used in the discussion with others to improve the translation. Thank you --Ans 14:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

P.s. actually translating messages will have a higher reward. Thai is #24 in the most spoken languages in the world, and the localisation level is not great. Talking about translating will hardly get you anywhere. Translate first, proofread later. Siebrand 16:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Translate-language-code

I suggest that Translate-language-code (“Language code”) be reworded to "Selection" or something more appropriate, since the box allows more selections now than the language code alone. If noone objects, I an going to do that probably tomorrow, or the day after. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

And change it to what, "Settings"? Siebrand 11:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

"Selection" - but "Settings" is also fine with me. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

To me it just looks too trivial to change (and fuzzy all translations). Siebrand 12:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to amend it without fuzzying? New translations should imho do use a better term. Or could we spare this change until a bunch of alterations have to be made anyways in Extension:Translate? --Purodha Blissenbach 10:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

`Coll-template blacklist title`

Where is the english original of the message? It is present at the source code but I didn't find it here.

I would like to know why the value is "MediaWiki:PDF Template Blacklist", since the file need not to be exported to PDF format... Helder 11:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I assume this is an on-wiki configuration page that will contain page names (usually from the Template: namespace) that will not be included in Collection extension rendered PDF files. It usually does not make too much sense to change these page names. Siebrand 12:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

#:/extensions/Collection$ grep -r blacklist_title *
Collection.body.php:                    'template_blacklist' => wfMsgForContent( 'coll-template_blacklist_title' ),
Collection.body.php:                    'template_blacklist' => wfMsgForContent( 'coll-template_blacklist_title' ),
Collection.body.php:                    'template_blacklist' => wfMsgForContent( 'coll-template_blacklist_title' ),
Collection.i18n.php:    'coll-template_blacklist_title'   => 'MediaWiki:PDF Template Blacklist', # do not translate or duplicate this message to other languages
Collection.templates.php:$title_string = wfMsgForContent('coll-template_blacklist_title');

Thanks!

I was wondering if "MediaWiki:Book Creator Template Blacklist" wouldn't be a better name. Besides this, I think the message should be in the site language (and then I would translate it to Portuguese...). Helder 12:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Like more blacklist/whitelist type pages, it could have an explanation as base content. Allowing localisation of the blacklist is not something I support wholeheartedly, because of interoperability concerns. Siebrand 12:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

So, should we keep the spanish translation? Could we at least remove the "PDF" from the message and use the name "Book Creator" instead? Helder 16:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea. If you think this is a real issue, please report it in bugzilla:, as I cannot assess the impact. Siebrand 23:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

newline - "OpenStreetMap - Potlatch"

There are messages with new line character ('\n') instead of a new line. A '\@' looks wrong (Emailauthor), maybe it is only a '@'. Der Umherirrende 18:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Please translate the source messages, with all its peculiarities... Please consider that we are working on these things. Siebrand 19:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, it's extremely likely that the original messages just work :-) thus not deviating from them would as likely give working translations. --Purodha Blissenbach 10:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

div mw-translate-definition-preview

On the edit window the original text is shown twice. In a div with class "mw-translate-definition-preview" and in a fieldset with the class "mw-sp-translate-edit-definition". I think the last one is enough in edit window. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 16:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You are not using the new ajax-editing? I was going to remove the next/prev/preview things now that we have better interface. – Nike 14:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I am using the standard interface. JavaScript is not always enabled. Der Umherirrende 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

And there is a javascript error on Special:Translate with group in IE7. To debug that is horrible, because the mwScriptLoader removes newlines and merge all into one file, so I cannot find the wrong script file and so on. Der Umherirrende 15:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

&debug=true- – Nike 18:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

trailing comma after } without following definition breaks IE7: one is in line 71, quickedit.js (mwr:55691) --Der Umherirrende 19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 23:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

P.s. I strongly suggest using the Ajax edit UI. It is a real time saver. Siebrand 23:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. Der Umherirrende 07:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do keep the previois/next/list links. The JS stuff is far too buggy and too browser/platform dependant to work, and in more tightly secured networks, it is unavailable anyways (filtered by proxy firewalls). As a rule of thumb: Java*/*Scripts can offer "nice to have" things or gimmicks, but a web page has to be fully functional without them, else it is broken. --Purodha Blissenbach 07:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

If things are buggy, report the bugs. If things are obvious, don't state them. Siebrand 09:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

It's very practical, it's not possible to use modern web pages without javascript anymore. It's too much effort to make them work properly, so with time they will bitrot and break more and then removed. – Nike 13:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Siebrand, I cannot and will not waste my time finding and reporting bugs in these various scripting environments that execute JavaScripts. (In a way, they're broken by design, because allowing arbitrary code to be executed locally inside ones own security context is posing some hard to control threats, and is at least hard to secure. Obviously, currently, they are not secure.)

I did and do of course report findings on translatewiki.nets scripts. Currently, I am usually not using them because without, I am considerably faster (reasons reported), and, since they are not sent via a secure channel, so as to reduce the risk of receiving highjacked code. --Purodha Blissenbach 09:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Configure-setting-wgExportMaxLinkDepth/en

What does it mean «pagelink-depth» in this message? --Jim-by 06:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The number of recursions used to find linked pages of linked pages of linked pages of ....

I limits indirectly found pages.

If infinite nesting was allowed, one might get the entire wiki, so lookup of linked pages is limited to this number of links. Pages, that are more than this number of links away from the starting page, are not included. --Purodha Blissenbach 09:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I think will be good idea to replace pagelink-depth with int: of actual message from Special:Export. This'll definitely improves translation consistency. --EugeneZelenko 13:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

`Multipleupload-addresswarnings`

Does anybody know what this message means? Lloffiwr 12:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Aha - I've had a guess. Is it a message from the computer to the user which appears on or just before completing the uploads, and which is telling the user that they should 'address' - meaning attend to - any warnings which have been provided by the computer, before completing the upload? Lloffiwr 12:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

`Th expr two month` and `Th expr four month`

I think months should be used for plural form. --EugeneZelenko 14:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 19:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

proofreadpage_pages needs PLURAL support

Proofreadpage pages (“$2 {{PLURAL:$1|page|pages}}”) needs support for PLURAL. See SpecialProofreadPages.php, line 137, which uses wfMsg, but should read

$pages = wfMsgExt( 'proofreadpage_pages', 'parsemag', $size );

instead (formatNum on $size a few lines below would probably be correct, too, but probably not critically important). --Mormegil 13:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Both fixed in mwr:57776. Siebrand 16:49, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Extensions: Flagged Revs

If I got it right the extensions Flagged Revs are now part of the Extensions used by Wikimedia. So I would like to ask whether it is still accurate to display Template:Flagged Revs as a hint when you translate one of these messages? Who has more information on this topic? Robby 19:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I think Translating:Flagged Revs extension could probably be updated, but I see no need to remove the warning. Siebrand 13:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Bug tracker references

I suggest to add the respective bug tracker URLs to the applicable message group descriptions, and eventually compile a list of bug trackers parallel to the list of supported products. If possible, with a single source each, so as to avoid duplication of data. Since the latter needs a little bit technical preparation and coordination, I did not simply start doing it. Greetings --Purodha Blissenbach 19:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC) October 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you make 2 or 3 sample implementations if they are on-wiki, and ask for feedback. I'll certainly provide it - or implicitly approve if I do not. Siebrand 13:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikiblame messages needs PLURAL support

Wikiblame has many messages with are incorrect without PLURAL support. --EugeneZelenko 13:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Please request the functionality from the author. The tool does not support it. Siebrand 23:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

`Lqt-log-action-move`

What is $1, $2 and $3 in this translation? I guess $1 is title of page, $2 is old page name, $3 is new page name? --Joseph 12:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Documented. Siebrand 13:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Osm:`User block.show.time future`

In what format is {{time}}? – Nike 18:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

It uses the rails i18n defined format for the chosen locale. See git for more info. I do not know how to contribute to this. Best ask Avar. Siebrand 13:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

`Flvhandler desc`

I want to translate sample link to Polish, but message after translation is market as FUZZY - warning - unused wikilink. I think wikilinks translation inside nowiki tag is market as FUZZY in mistake. Sp5uhe 20:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Same as Support/Archive/2009/7#Flvhandler_desc ? --Purodha Blissenbach 09:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was report of the same problem. Sp5uhe 21:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:57810. Siebrand 13:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

OSM - Potlatch+Help_Page

I found two places for translating Potlatch's Help pages. There are:

Very not sutable name: page|Osm:Potlatch-help-html? Also impossible localise LINKS in the page|Osm:Potlatch-help-html , but no problem in out-osm-potlatch with it. Is it possible to delete category page|Osm:Potlatch-help-html ? or delete out-osm-potlatch and add localisable links. --Calibrator 06:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

page|Osm:Potlatch-help-html is a work-around for the stupid 6 page 'html help message' in Potlatch. It is a page translation page. It is a work around, because is the source message changes, the diff process will be tedious. Also the formatting of the page translation isn't up to part yet, and the page translation result has to be copied into the message. However, having 140-something translation blocks instead of 1 is *a lot better*. The current implementation of page translation is as it is; we know there are some minor issues with it, but that doesn't keep using from shaking it down. Siebrand 13:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

{{time_in_words_ago}} how to translate this in another language? Used in Openstreet map site.

I wanted to translate this , but I have trouble with finding ti, plz help. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazotoko (talk • contributions)

It is a variable, you cannot translate it directly. There is probably some message where you can translate hours, minutes and "ago". – Nike 10:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

You need to contribute to the rails-i18n project directly. This is e.g. a file I submitted for Icelandic: is.yml. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 17:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Dmsg reply to

Dmsg reply to (“is a reply to”) has a word order problem in Japanese. The old text is much better. --fryed-peach 04:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The word order issue is something you have to resolve between the two messages. If you make the fir shorter, and the second longer, your linked text will just be longer, but there will be no functional difference. Siebrand 13:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

That translation is not impossible, but please (tell the developers to) avoid such assumptions on word order and I want to see more generalized solution. Anyway, thanks. --fryed-peach 13:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

`Poll hour` and `Poll hours`

I think this messages should be merged using PLURAL. --EugeneZelenko 14:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Please report this in the FUDforum bug tracker. Siebrand 17:02, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to ask FUDforum developer to look into this page (or dedicated page for FUDforum)? Otherwise translatewiki.net can't good claim support for this project. --EugeneZelenko 14:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Naudef lurks here sometimes. – Nike 17:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you mean Naudefj. --Michawiki 17:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will add it to my TODO list. Best regards. Frank 09:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

`Query.upload.ignoreFileexists.message` and `Query.upload.ignoreFilewasdeleted.message`

First letter after dot should definitely be capitalized. However, there is still common unresolved problem with message capitalization in Commonist. --EugeneZelenko 13:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

please contact "the dot gray at gmx dot net", as he is the author. Siebrand 12:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Done

Should add of some projects at the end of integrate tightly into the development process of the software on Translating:Intro? :-)

EugeneZelenko 14:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble understanding the nuances of irony. It may be more effective if you just say what you mean. Siebrand 18:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it's good idea to start improving integration of translatewiki.net into development process of project which supposed to be supported by translatewiki.net. Of course, it's not quantitative and it's hard to present beautiful graphs, but what the point to translate, for example, noun/verb ambiguity/incorrect grammar/etc on hundreds of languages? Method to fix such problems or request documentation it not so easy as it should be. --EugeneZelenko 14:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you're missing part of the point of the crowd sourcing. All the applications that we support are open source, and can be downloaded and installed. All the people working here - myself being a tiny exception for one day a week - are volunteers. We need to do everything together, and we only have so much time to coordinate with developers as we are able to spend here. We are always in need of more volunteers - both translators, coordinators, reviewers, developers, and users that are active on meta levels like recruiting/promotion, application testing with an i18n/L10n perspective that are able to make screenshots and descriptions for translation hints. As a very active translator on the Belarussian language, the only regular one, you could cultivate your language community and migrate to a different role, for example coordinating one or more of the products that we support, and test that software, and ensure that the translations hints are in order, reporting bugs with an i18n/L10n scope, etc. We/I know oft he shortcomings and possible improvements we can make, but it should also be clear that you (in general) are who can, will and should make that happen. Hope you understand. Cheers! Siebrand 14:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree that volunteer time and such positions are required. May be translatewiki.net should call for them, for example, in newsletter?

From technical point of view, I think will be good idea to separate Support on project basis (or at least have dedicated pages with unresolved issues for each project). Technical user accounts may be created to watch such page and notify via e-mail related i18n/l10n mailing list of projects (if there is no other way to automate such notifications).

However it'll not solve problem with developers attention. May be developers who decide to use translatewiki.net for their projects should also create user account and watch to relevant requests?

It'll be definitely helpfull to resolve/set up process properly if translatewiki.net want to grow.

EugeneZelenko 14:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

OSM - Potlatch: `Inspector way connects to principal`

The meaning of message Inspector way connects to principal is not clear to me. What do the variables $1, $2, $3 and $4 mean? Specially the value of variable $4 is important because of the grammatical congruence with the preceding adjective "other" in other languages than English. The specified example doesn't really help me to understand the message. --Michawiki 15:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I have asked Avar to document it. Siebrand 12:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

`Sp-translate-data-MagicWords`

Hello! Some time after I did this translation, I've noticed that the bot of Siebrand was blocked because the redirects are now using the tag "#REDIRECIONAMENTO" instead of "#REDIRECT". I'm sorry...

So... in order to avoid new problems, I wold like to know if I should add also the english name when doing these translations.

Thanks! Helder 14:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Those are added automatically. The issue you refer to was related to pywikipediabot, not necessarily to MediaWiki. Siebrand 17:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok then... Helder 18:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

You can request for the new localisation at SourceForge.net/pywikipediabot, see this as an example. Der Umherirrende 18:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

`S plugin format process buglinks`

Is it really necessary to have spaces between round brackets? --EugeneZelenko 14:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe there is any technical necessity for it. – Nike 15:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

mwlibrl

How can I translate messages from mwlibrl at pt.Wikibooks?

I didn't find them there, and here they are with strange names... Helder 17:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You can't. Why would you? – Nike 15:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

`Mwe-apiproxy-setup` (“`Setting up API proxy`”)

Is the space at the begining of this message OK? --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 17:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Siebrand 22:49, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Plural: `Codereview-tests-succeeded` and `Codereview-tests-failed`

I think, these messages needs Plural. Please also add the colored number as parameter, because that makes it easy to customize that message in a local wiki. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 17:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Codereview-tests-succeeded2 and Codereview-tests-failed2. Siebrand 17:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Lqt-talkpage-history-subtitle

What's $1 in Lqt-talkpage-history-subtitle (“For $1”)? --fryed-peach 17:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Documented. Siebrand 18:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --fryed-peach 20:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

`Rsd results total`

The message has leading spaces. Der Umherirrende 17:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to include a leading content as parameter? And please document $1. --fryed-peach 18:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Documented. Have to look into the JavaScript to see if this can be made a full message, instead of lego. Siebrand 15:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 06:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

exclude `Notifier.signup confirm html.user wiki page` and `Notifier.signup confirm plain.user wiki 2` from parameter check

I think the messages should exclude from parametercheck, because than it is possible to change the town in category. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 19:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, you should change it anyway, if you have a reason for it. A have added the link check for these messages to the blacklist, but it does not appear to work. Added it as a P2 BUG in the bug list. Siebrand 15:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

LocalisationUpdate

Is it working? Messages, i translated in october 18., still have not got to wikipedia. -yyy 05:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you give examples? – Nike 06:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

18 Oct. translations are live at least. MediaWiki:Allmessages-filter-submit/lv is visible here. Siebrand 15:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

yeah, i meant these as primary examples, but these are not working for me (maybe there is something cached?) These shows up in english. At first i looked at that page while logged out, then i logged in, but result was the same. I will try to clear cache, to see if that helps. -yyy 16:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Purging cache had no effect. Also, messages themselves, further down the allmessages list, are in english. -yyy 16:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Bug 21260 --Der Umherirrende 16:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The creation of the bug is a good idea, but I think you didn't report the correct issue. LU *is* run, I've proven that. There is some caching issue that's causing issues for you. In any case, not an i18n/L10n issue that is relevant for here. Siebrand 20:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

`Move-over-sharedrepo`

I think, a "locally" is missing, to clarifiy this message. See Right-reupload-shared. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 15:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not see the need. This message is displayed when moving a *local* file (page) over a page that exists in an active shared repo. It is a local action. Siebrand 15:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure, if a user think so. He can also think that the file on the shared repo is overriden and not the filename locally. But: Thanks for the opinion, making as

invalid. --Der Umherirrende 17:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Komi-Permyak language name

Please change the name of Komi-Permyak language in translations. ISO 693-3 Code is koi. The modern native name is "Перем Коми" not "Коми-Пермяцкӧй" (it was in russificated Soviet period). Thank you. Yufereff 15:40 23 September 2009 (UTC)

This may be a political POV related request. Please elaborate. The Wikipedia article on English Wikipedia I used to pick the language name does not appear to have a preference, and I took the first language name mentioned. Thanks. Siebrand 14:45, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I edited the Wikipedia article on English Wikipedia in language name part. I didn't find the statutory act in this question, but placed the example of using language name in some modern editions of Finno-Ugrian electronic library. Our Komi-Permyak community supports the name of "Перем Коми". Thanks. Yufereff 20:51 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Done Work on [koi] перем коми (Komi-Permyak) appears to be non-existing, though. Siebrand 17:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Mediawarning, suggestion for clarification

current message:

'''Warning''': This file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />

suggested messsage:

'''Warning''': This file type is untrusted or unsafe.  It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />

'''Warning''': This file type may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />

'''Warning''': This file type has not been trusted.  It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />

reason: for clarification

--Ans 04:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The current message is generic enough, and your proposed changes hardly change the meaning. Feel free to make small changes in your localisation. Siebrand 17:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

`Oldreviewedpages-watched`

Why are there two variable ($1 and $2) for the same(?) number? What's the difference between Unreviewed-watched (page does not exist) and Oldreviewedpages-watched (page does not exist)?--OsamaK 10:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:58121. In some cases, not in this one, $1 could be more than just a number (may be wrapped in a span, for example). That is why an additional 'plain number' variable may needed to make it work. Not in this case, though. For some reason someone choose to ad the same variable twice. I have no idea why. Siebrand 17:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Remove: MediaWiki:Revdelete-text/de-formal

Please remove the message from source. It is identical to 'de' (fallback). Thanks. Der Umherirrende 14:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:58122. Siebrand 17:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

RSS feed for the recent changes page

Is it possible to watch recent changes by RSS feed, like it is done in Wikipedia? Thanks --Timming 23:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

How is it done in Wikipedia? Special:Recentchanges does not show me RSS/ATOM links. Special:Watchlist and Special:Newpages do, however. Siebrand 00:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I want to see these changes. --Timming 14:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, good to see that at least we are doing the same as Wikipedia, because Wikipedia cannot display this as an RSS feed either. This feature request goes to the bottom of the feature request list. Siebrand 17:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

RSS is strongly cached and thus it does not use most of the options. I have no idea how heavy it would be to actually provide some custom feeds. – Nike 06:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Probably not that heavy if we'd give it a 3600 second retention time. But as said: bottom feature request. First things first, unless a proper patch is submitted. Siebrand 08:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you anyway. --Timming 15:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

OSM - Wiki Interface (Left Main Menu Links)

National Pages in OpenStreetMap have not correct links in the left Main menu. There are going to English pages only, not national. It need to have localise them, but it is impossible now. Anybody can fix it? --Calibrator 06:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

If you are talking about the sidebar, there is only three pages which would benefit from that. – Nike 06:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

For switching on Localisation - In accordance with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg, it need change only one string in LocalSettings.php file. Never edit DefaultSettings.php; copy appropriate lines to LocalSettings.php instead and amend them as appropriate.

$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg = array();

change to

$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg = array( 'mainpage-url', 'portal-url', 'mapfeatures-url', 'helppage' );

Anybody can do it? --Calibrator 08:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I am assuming you are talking about http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page. That is off-topic here. Please mention that there. Siebrand 17:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Moksha (mdf) language name

Hi! Main page interface translated to Moksha but language name is still displayed in English. Need to change Moksha to Мокшень for correct main page display. Pls advise how--Khazar II 09:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I do not understand what it is you try to accomplish. Can you describe the 'current behaviour' and the 'expected behaviour' in more detail, as well as add steps to reproduce, so I will be able to understand where you are getting at? Thanks. Siebrand 17:43, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

`Cannotdelete`

I think will be good idea to separate message for page and file. In Slavic languages such as Russian or Belarusian these words have different grammar gender. --EugeneZelenko 13:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I suggest reprhasing the message so that it works for you. Siebrand 17:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that this will be good solution, taking in account adjective and pronoun in second sentence, which depend on gender. --EugeneZelenko 14:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Lqt permalink

Lqt permalink (“Link to”) has an order problem in Japanese. Is it possible to include a following content as parameter? --fryed-peach 17:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I have asked Andrew to comment on this, as I was unable to confidently draw conclusions from the code. Siebrand 18:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

There's no following parameter, "link to" is short for "link to this post", but the remainder is unnecessary in English. Werdna 20:18, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Andrew. Siebrand 21:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

`S next`, `S prev` and `S all`

To which object(s) these messages are applied? Please update documentation. --EugeneZelenko 14:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Next and Prev are paging links. See MantisBT tracker (log in anonymously first). In the top part of the page, you will see the filter pane. Cannot find where "all" occurs at the moment. It should also be in the screenshot as far as I can see, but it is not. It should mean "[display ]all[ issues]". Siebrand 20:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleting identical system messages

Is there currently any other to delete identical system messages on Wikipedia (besides manually)? Servien 22:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Manually create a list (by screen grabbing and cleaning based on Special:AllMessages), and use an admin bot with pywikipediabot to do the work. Could assist if someone would temporarily make SieBot a sysop (bureaucrat required, of course, and possibly community consensus). Siebrand 22:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Screen grabbing and cleaning? What is that suppose to mean exactly (sorry my technical terms aren't that good). If you could assist that would be great. Your bot has already been granted temporary adminship on nds-nl. Servien 10:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I have made a list of about 1.700 system messages that I think can be deleted. They are in wikipedia:nds-nl:User:Servien/tbd. I will now start deleting those pages. Although I have done my best to not delete anything that will cause disruption, please be aware that this may happen. In that cause, the cause is an accidentally deleted system messages containing a link. In those cases, just check all system messages in Special:AllMessages, find what you see now, and restore the deleted page to have things go back to normal. I am now in San Francisco and in a plane back to Amsterdam in a few hours. I cannot assist. Siebrand 18:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Please fix a letter in Komi-Permyak language name

Current name is "КПерем Коми", please remove the first letter "K", it's a mistake. It should be "Перем Коми". амдф 11:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 18:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Payflowpro gateway-donor-currency-msg

Please document $1 in Payflowpro gateway-donor-currency-msg (page does not exist). I assume it a currency unit. --fryed-peach 06:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

That is correct (3 letter currency code, as far as I know). Siebrand 07:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --fryed-peach 15:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

`Payflowpro gateway-error-msg`

What does parameter $1 stand for here? In Upper and Lower Sorbian the word for English your must be congruent with the following word behind parameter $1 in gender, case and number. --Michawiki 23:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I think $1 can take a lot of forms here. Better translate it as something like: "The following field is required: $1". Does that make it possible to translate? Siebrand 23:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Does $1 refer to one of the Payflowpro_gateway-donor-* fields? The message is not a label message but a notice that the current Payflowpro_gateway-donor-* field is still empty and should be filled in? Then you are right, your text is better. --Michawiki 00:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

`Payflowpro gateway-error-msg`

What is parameter $1 in this message? --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 12:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's "Address", "Country" and so on. Please note that this doesn't work well in Arabic. There is no "Your" that can be used. It's a letter in the end of the word that can be added (it's like the plural "s" in English, it can make other changes in the words, it's not correct to use "countrys" for example!). So please add "your country", "your address" and so on as "standalone" strings so we can have a correct Arabic sentience, it's probably other languages that have the same problem.--OsamaK 14:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

See above. Asking the same question multiple times is not that productive. Siebrand 18:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Karachay-Balkar

Please add support for the Karachay-Balkar language iso codes krc .. there is a request for translation, there is an incubator project. GerardM 22:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Please, set Russian as a fallback language for Karachay-Balkar. Russian is a second language for nearly all Karachay and Balkar people. Don Alessandro 09:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 23:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Main Franconian (Vmf)

There is a language portal for Main Franconian (vfm), but the status page says that the language code is not valid. There is a test project on incubator. How can the language status be validated? --Als-Holder 08:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The request for a Franconian Wikipedia has not been recognised as eligible by the language committee.. In this case there is too much ambiguity between what people SAY they are going to consider Franconian and what the standard defines for the vmf code. Thanks, GerardM 09:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi GerardM. I see, that's indeed a problem. What would be a solution for this? Greetings, --Als-Holder 09:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The request has to be reformulated. What is talked about is all of Franconian.. it has to be more precise AND this has to be what this group of people want to abide by. Without it, it does not stand a chance. GerardM 10:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will communicate this to the community. --Als-Holder 11:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I am a franconian native speaker. The precise (scientific) name is Ostfränkisch or Eastern Franconian and therefore there is a precise defined description what would be included in this wiki. A map in Klepsch, Alfred, Wagner, Eberhard: Handwörterbuch von Bayerisch-Franken. Herausgegeben von Bayerische Akademie der Wissenschaften. Verlag: Mediengruppe Oberfranken ISBN 978-3-936897-52-4 clearly shows the area of the Eastern Franconian language for the parts, which lie in the State of Bavaria--Altaileopard 14:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at the request for a new language at meta.. You will find people speak about Belgian.. That is a bit too northerly ... As long as this type of misinformation is in the request, the request does not match what SIL understands this language to be. Thanks, GerardM 14:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC) NB Please have this conversation at Meta as translatewiki.net is only part of this question as the vehicle for the required localisation.

Ok thanks. I will go on in Meta.--Altaileopard 15:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I suggest, not to use this language code until SIL corrects its definition, which is self-contradictive. Currently. It says at http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=vmf

Region: Mostly River Main area, including Mainz, west of Frankfurt.
Alternate names: Upper Franconian
Classification: Indo-European, Germanic, West, High German, German, Middle German, West Middle German, Moselle Franconian

Facts:

The City Mainz is not at the river Main.
Upper Franconian is unrelated to Moselle Frankonian. Upper Franconian is not even part of West Middle German. Most Authors classify Upper Franconian not even as part of Middle German.
In the City Mainz, they do not speak Upper Franconian. The nearest Upper Fanconain speaking place is some 200+ km away from Mainz.
Upper Franconian is not an alternate Name for Main Franconian.
In the city Mainz, they neither speak Moselle Franconian, nor Main Franconian, but a variety of Rhine-Hessian which is part of the Rhine-Franconain group of West Middle German. So Mainz's way to speak is closer related to Lower Palatinate German than to either Main Franconian or Moselle Franconian.

Comments:

From all these, imho, there is not even a way to guess, what the original intention of defining vmf was.
I repeatedly imformed SIL about all this already years ago per e-mail. As with other similar hints and requests, no reaction til today from SIL.
Maybe, the author of this entry confused the rivers Main, and Moselle. Both contribute to the Rhine, from opposite sides and at different places, which are about 100 km apart.
If you want more infos on the so called "Franconian group", which includes Afrikaans, Luxembourgish, and several 1000 German varieties, if your read German, see: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A4nkische_Sprachen

--Purodha Blissenbach 08:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

This is off topic. Please discuss elsewhere. Siebrand 23:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

`Mwe-seek to`

What can parameter $1 be in this message? Thanks. --Toliño^{Fala aquí comigo} 17:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a status message in the video viewer (or editor?). $1 is the time of the video that is being sought. Siebrand 12:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Mediawarning, suggestion for clarification

current message:

'''Warning''': This file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />

suggested messsage:
- '''Warning''': This file type is untrusted or unsafe. It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />
- '''Warning''': This file type may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />
- '''Warning''': This file type has not been trusted. It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />
- '''Warning''': The type of this file is untrusted or unsafe. It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />
- '''Warning''': The type of this file has not been trusted. It may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised.<hr />
- '''Warning''': As some type of file may contain malicious code, by executing it your system may be compromised. The type of this file has not been trusted to be safe.<hr />
reason: for clarification

--Ans 04:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The current message is generic enough, and your proposed changes hardly change the meaning. Feel free to make small changes in your localisation. Siebrand 17:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that, it is too generic, and may make panic or confusion on users --Ans 07:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

My proposed message also try to explain that it is the TYPE of this file, not just solely this file. So, it is the type that is untrusted, not just this file --Ans 07:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Done mwr:58579. Siebrand 12:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Activeusers-count, suggestion for clarification

current message:

$1 {{PLURAL:$1|edit|edits}} in the last {{PLURAL:$3|day|$3 days}}

suggested message:

last {{PLURAL:$1|edit|$1 edits}} in the last {{PLURAL:$3|day|$3 days}}

reason: for clarification

--Ans 11:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

While a similar wording may be fine in some languages, I believe it's wrong in English. The figure $3 is given per installation, it is the same number for all users always. This number is taken, to find the number of edits of a user, $1, While these edits are, in fact, also his or her last edits, English syntax imho allows only one ocurrence of "last" in the sentence without loosing its sense, and this has to go with the source, that is the number of days in this instance, that is determining, what exectly is limiting "last". --Purodha Blissenbach 07:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Not making changes here. Siebrand 12:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Usage of article in Wikilog messages

I think usage of article in Wikilog messages is too Wikipedia-centric. Should be replaced with content page. --EugeneZelenko 14:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The usage is correct. It pertains to 'blog articles'. Siebrand 23:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Ipblocklist-localblock

Is it possible, that there could be multiple local blocks, and Ipblocklist-localblock (“Local block”) needed PLURAL support? --Purodha Blissenbach 14:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Not that I know. A set block can be changed or removed, but it cannot be set again before having been removed. There are 0 or 1 current blocks for a username or IP address (but there can be multiple historical blocks). Siebrand 14:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Hill Mari language

Please add a Hill Mari language (ISO 639-3: mrj) to the list of languages. I request it because of a future new wikipedia proposal. Native language name is "Кырык мары". амдф 20:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Done [mrj] кырык мары (Western Mari). Siebrand 13:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Committing messages for Upper Sorbian and Lower Sorbian

I've just seen that there isn't a committing section anymore. But I have found that many messages apparently have not been committed for Upper and Lower Sorbian for a long time:

dsb:

MediaWiki
- Can hardly believe that. Details please. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
MediaWiki extensions
- Can hardly believe that. Details please. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Commonist
- Nikerabbit maintains contact with the developer. Will ask him to reply. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Made export of 20%+ translated and asked developer to integrate. Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikimedia Mobile Interface
- Nikerabbit maintains contact with the developer. Will ask him to reply. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Is up date date. Claim untrue. Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

hsb:

MediaWiki
- Can hardly believe that. Details please. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
MediaWiki extensions
- Can hardly believe that. Details please. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Commonist
- Nikerabbit maintains contact with the developer. Will ask him to reply. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Made export of 20%+ translated and asked developer to integrate. Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
FreeCol
- Was committed 4 days ago, so not true. Siebrand 00:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
FUDforum
- FUDforum is committed regularly. Will ask Naudefj to reply. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Made export of 35%+ translated and asked developer to integrate. It appears he didn't export new languages. I have offered to help with commits. Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Osm-Potlatch-help-html
- This is not committed. It is used locally to updated an option Potlatch message. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikimedia Mobile Interface
- Nikerabbit maintains contact with the developer. Will ask him to reply. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Is up date date. Claim untrue. Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Translatewiki.net
- This is not committed. It is used locally. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Translating:How to start
- This is not committed. It is used locally. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Translating:Intro
- This is not committed. It is used locally. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
User:FuzzyBot
- This is not committed. It is used locally. Siebrand 00:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

There are some messages, too, that are fresh but I think it's the best to do all in one go. Thanks, --Michawiki 22:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

As many of the claims above are false, please clarify which information you have used to base them on? Siebrand 07:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I wrote that I included some fresh messages. They are e.g. in the MediaWiki and MediaWiki groups. These groups are always up-to-date, I know. I checked the messages in translation tool action "Review changes to" and there e.g. all messages of FUDforum are shown yet. Normally messages are removed from this action category when they have been committed. I did a general check indicating all messages in the action category "Review changes to". If some of those messages have been already committed, so much the better. Thanks and regards, --Michawiki 11:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Your are correct, but it's only twn's view of the state. It might not always correspond 1:1 to the upstream state. – Nike 19:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Zazaki zza

The Zazaki language is a macro language and, it has been rejected on Meta.. There are two languages in this group and within these two languages people will find their Wikipedia project.. As far as I am concerned this code can be removed. Thanks, GerardM 11:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Done Siebrand 12:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Special page alias for Wikilog

Special page alias for Wikilog doesn't appear at Special:AdvancedTranslate correctly. --fryed-peach 13:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Siebrand 14:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for quick action! --fryed-peach 14:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

`Mwe-edit-video-tools`

What does Edit Video Tools exactly mean? That video tools are edited or that there are tools for editing videos? Thanks, --Michawiki 13:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

This message is used as a header (h3 to be precise). It heads the tools that are used to edit (the) video in the mwEmbed JavaScript library.

`Wikilog-post-count-published` and `Wikilog-post-count-drafts`

Why these messages are ended with comma? Does it mean that there are hardcoded gluing of messages in software? In this case messages should be reorganized. --EugeneZelenko 15:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

These messages are the first two entries in an unnumbered list. I just removed the commas to avoid future confusion. Siebrand 13:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

When finally the caching issue of Language Stats will be solved?

I've just loaded some of the messages groups in Language Stats and saw again that there are in some groups new messages. I thought those groups are fully translated but there are new messages which were not shown and the number of messages wasn't updated. I checked in mode Suppress translated messages. Have I to load all groups, also those for those many extensions? And this every day? I want to have certainty that the number of messages of all groups shown is correct. Thanks, --Michawiki 17:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Please find a volunteer developer to fix bugs, provide the money for a developer, try to fix the issue yourself, or live with it. I want to have certainty, too, but there hardly is anything we as a community can demand. I for one live with it, and even though I would like you have the certainty, it is not a show stopper. Siebrand 20:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't want to offend you. But your reply is unfair. Suggesting I shall find a volunteer developer and provide the money is irrealistic, you know that. But I would like have this state we had with the old version of the translation tool. My impression is that this issue exists since the introduction of this new version. May be I'm wrong. I don't want to do without the Language Stats because it's a good tool, you can - if it works correctly - immediately see how many messages are still untranslated an which groups are fully translated. All the more when a big part of the messages has already been translated. Therefore I am a bit impatient. --Michawiki 21:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Fairness is not the issue. It's reality we're dealing with. I gave you a few ways to help. The issues are known and documented. I spend a lot of time trying to implement the same suggestions I am making to you. I make progress, but baby steps is the way to go. You may have noticed that no features and bugs have been added lately, and I too would like the issues that are remaining from the GSoC project by Niklas are resolved. But he's got his university study to devote his time to. I am trying to tap into the MediaWiki developer community. Nothing has just come out of it, yet. Siebrand 21:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That's a more positive reply. I hope this issue and others will be successfully solved any time in the future. I like translatewiki and I'm pleased that translatewiki gets more and more comfortable. I think you can see that this is true - I'm in the third place relating to all edits done, after you and Meno25. How many people are actually in the team of translatewiki? You and Niklas only? I hope you don't take on more than you can handle - lately you accept more and more message groups that have no relationship with Wikimedia projects: FUDForum, FreeCol, OpenStreetMap and the newest is StatusNet. Be that it is will - I want to seize the opportunity to thank you and the other helpers of translatewiki for the good job you have done. Regards, --Michawiki 22:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

StatusNet: Importing with !!FUZZY!!?

Why many pages are imported with !!FUZZY!! for StatusNet (in 'de')? I cannot find a problem. Der Umherirrende 19:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Because they were marked as such - and usually for good reason. Please review them carefully. Siebrand 20:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I am wondered, because that is in the first version of that message. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 20:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

`S resolved progress`

This message contains a parameter %3$d%%. This parameter is different to the other parameter in that message. My question: It this a percentage, like 10%, so one percent sign is too much? It is necessary, because in german is a space between value and unit. I am not sure, if %3$d% %, %3$d %% or %3$d%% the right text. Thanks. Der Umherirrende 20:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I think % is escaped with %. So the space should be followed by %%. Siebrand 20:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I have add a doc for that message. Der Umherirrende 20:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Project list

Please mark a new change on Project list for translation. --fryed-peach 08:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Thank you for reminding me of that. Done. Siebrand 09:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

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Missing desc messages

Tatar Wikipedia interface

Coll-book creator disable text

Rename to empty page?

Login problems

Feature renamed in Collection

Register err sig too long (“Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed length of {GVAR: FORUM_SIG_ML} characters.”)

Quotes in Replace Text extension

Changeauthor-changeauthors-single and Changeauthor-changeauthors-multi

Typo in Postcheck min len err

Use GENDER?

Lqt-delete-parent-deleted

$2 in coll-suggest_article_remove, coll-suggest_article_add

Rename to empty page?

+ Add Category

Translate-magic-pagename

Mwe-error load lib

Just a flaw resp. minor detail

MediaWiki:rsd_config_error

MediaWiki Embed

coll-n_pages needs PLURAL support

Specialpages-group-highuse

Czech translation of mwlib not committed?

Tatar Cyrillics

Maximum number of special page aliases

Lqt-thread-show-replies should use PLURAL

Renameuser-renamed-notice should support GENDER

Idential to fallback source - de/de-formal

userdailycontribs-desc

Okawix:Okawix.sb.askPath

Coll-suggest article add, Coll-suggest article ban and Coll-suggest article remove

wm-license-cc-free, and wm-license-cc-conditions should support PLURAL

Start-date, End-date

layout/line-break

Local MediaWiki:Pipe-separator

Makebot-desc, Makesysop-desc, Right-makebot and Right-makesysop

Lqt-feed-*

Problems with edit page

Math UnexpectedNextCell and other

parser function sub

Localisation of feedback form

Masseditregextext

Activerecord.attributes.user.display name

Komi-Permyak language support

OSM - PLURAL template

OSM - difference between TRACE and TRACK

OSM - identical to english message

false positive errors

E-mails in OSM

Tooltip text for watch/unwatch

Blocklog-showlog and Blocklog-showsuppresslog should support GENDER

Flvhandler desc

Please, rename my account

Babel-autocreate-text-levels and Babel-autocreate-text-main

Masseditregex-hint-toappend

Translations into Kalmyk (xal)

OSM - inconsistent capitalisation

Viewapc-display-creation time, Viewapc-display-deletion time, Viewapc-display-mtime

Explanation of 'content page'

DST for Asia/Dhaka

Upper Sorbian active in OSM! But with some issues

Context of translatable messages

Lqt from talk

Possible problem in MediaWiki:Right-todosubmit/en

OSM - hardcoded word

Edittoolbar-tool-table-toomany should use PLURAL

Ct-title

OSM Potlatch - A way

Wah-notoken-login

problem with upgrading hebrew MediaWiki

Broken link in sitenotice

Link to portal on main page

Interwiki prefix

[rgn] Rumagnôl (Romagnol)

OSM - deleted messages?

request undelete obsolete message into new title

Translate-language-code

newline - "OpenStreetMap - Potlatch"

div mw-translate-definition-preview

Th expr two month and Th expr four month

`Register err sig too long` (“`Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed length of {GVAR: FORUM_SIG_ML} characters.`”)

`Changeauthor-changeauthors-single` and `Changeauthor-changeauthors-multi`

`Lqt-thread-show-replies` should use PLURAL

`Renameuser-renamed-notice` should support GENDER

`Coll-suggest article add`, `Coll-suggest article ban` and `Coll-suggest article remove`

`Start-date`, `End-date`

`Makebot-desc`, `Makesysop-desc`, `Right-makebot` and `Right-makesysop`

`Math UnexpectedNextCell` and other

`Blocklog-showlog` and `Blocklog-showsuppresslog` should support GENDER

`Babel-autocreate-text-levels` and `Babel-autocreate-text-main`

`Viewapc-display-creation time`, `Viewapc-display-deletion time`, `Viewapc-display-mtime`

`Edittoolbar-tool-table-toomany` should use PLURAL

OSM Potlatch - `A way`

`[rgn]` Rumagnôl (Romagnol)

`Th expr two month` and `Th expr four month`

Osm:`User block.show.time future`

`Poll hour` and `Poll hours`

`Query.upload.ignoreFileexists.message` and `Query.upload.ignoreFilewasdeleted.message`

OSM - Potlatch: `Inspector way connects to principal`

`Mwe-apiproxy-setup` (“`Setting up API proxy`”)

Plural: `Codereview-tests-succeeded` and `Codereview-tests-failed`

exclude `Notifier.signup confirm html.user wiki page` and `Notifier.signup confirm plain.user wiki 2` from parameter check

`S next`, `S prev` and `S all`