Support/Archive/2023/10

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Fuzzy messages for Dissemin not showing up

In the Dissemin project, a lot of existing translations have been marked !!FUZZY!! for a long time, but they are not showing up as obsolete in the statistics overview, so these fuzzy translations have never been updated. McDutchie (talk) 20:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

It's not immediately obvious to me what is the problem. The statistics page seems to be up to date (purging didn't change the numbers). Do you have examples? Nike (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

For example, the statistics page for Dutch shows zero outdated messages for Dissemin in Dutch (screenshot), though many !!FUZZY!! messages exist currently for Dutch with obsolete/incorrect translations, e.g.: [1], [2], [3], and many others. In addition, going to the translation interface and selecting ‘Obsolete’ shows no messages, though all those !!FUZZY!! messages should be showing up. McDutchie (talk) 08:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. This should be resolved for Dissemin now. Nike (talk) 12:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Levantine Arabic, complicated plurals

Hi, the plural form for numbers in Levantine is quite complicated: see Levantine Arabic grammar on Wikipedia

I think a special plural function designed for Levantine is needed, but I'm unsure if the ones for Modern Standard Arabic (MSA, known here as Arabic and ar) would work. Is there a way to see how MSA's rules for plurals are set on this website? FunLater (talk)

For human-readable documentation the Standard Arabic rules, see Localisation guidelines/ar. The rules come from CLDR, and you can see a more technical table at https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/43/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html . It's possible to write custom rules for MediaWiki using the same format as CLDR (and hopefully, they will be moved to upstream CLDR some day). --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 02:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposal to Add the Dañgme Language on the Incubated Wikipedia Page

I am Simon Charwey, an MFA student at Yale School of Art. I am currently working on the Dañgme syllabic script and considering translation, IPA charts, and Transliteration among other models for Dañgme. As part of this process, I am interested in setting up an incubated Wikipedia page for Dañgme (with reference to the ISO 639 and the language code is /ada/). I believe this will come in handy as we begin preparing for parallel text documents for Dañgme translation. Currently, the parallel text that exists is the Dañgme Bible. The goal is to begin this process of translating the Dañgme on Wikipedia, besides the other existing parallel text online like the Bible. Simoncharwey (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It is now enabled. Welcome! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

User rename

Hello. I would like to change my username to H78c67c. Thank you. Hello903hello (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@H78c67c This is done now. Raymond 14:53, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Request to add Main Balochi Language

Sorry for requesting again

I contact with SIL administrators for add a new ISO639-3 code for main Balochi

They told us [bal] is for Main Balochi as an iclusive code and we can to use [bal] as Balochi language without macrolanguage codes

* Name: Balochi

* Native name: بلۏچی

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochi_language

* Region: Balochistan

* Country: Iran,Pakistan,Afghanistan and some other

* Continent: Balochistan

* Family: Indo-European

* ISO code: bal

* Script: Balochi Standard Alphabets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balochi_Standard_Alphabet

* Written: right to left

Let using ISO639-3 inclusive code ( [bal] )

@Amire80 and @Ibrahim khashrowdi Moshtank (talk) 05:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

As I explained earlier, the issue is not that the "bal" code doesn't exist. It exists, but it's a macro code, and we usually prefer not to use macro codes. However, they are not forbidden either, and decided on a case by case basis.

I've raised this question with the Language committee. Let's see if anyone replies. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Renaming

Hi,

The Tatar language in Romania (crh-ro) is mostly known as Dobrujan Tatar, it will be better when Dobrujan Tatar is used. Now there is written Crimean Tatar (Romania). Zolgoyo (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

This is handled in Task 346595. Raymond 14:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

I did request it and also about "crh-ro-cyrl". But I have no idea about gerrit, I will be happy when someone can help about it and edit the changes. Zolgoyo (talk) 10:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Contributions

Hi, It is clear to me that, where diff | hist apperars on the contributons, it's due to mediawiki:diff, mediawiki:pipe-separator and mediawiki:hist, but what I don't know is, on what page are the dates and times generated in the contributions?, this is my last contribution:

21 December 2024

• 05:1605:16, 21 December 2024 diff hist +4 Module:Sandbox No edit summary current

As you can see, the year, month, day, hour and minute appear, but not second (in Spanish, my native language, "oct" appears, as an acronym for "octubre"), on what page does that generate? No se (talk) 13:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@No se This is a general setting for Spanish in MediaWiki. No date preferences are defined, see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/refs/heads/master/languages/messages/MessagesEs.php#314 : "$datePreferences = false;"

Compare the setting with German, my native language: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/refs/heads/master/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php#314

I do not know the reason for the missing Spanish setting. Maybe Task 221919 is related here? Raymond 15:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

So the date and time that appears on the contributions and logs is not generated by a page like MediaWiki:Pagetriage-articleinfo-byline/en does? I thought that yes, so it is not possible to edit that configuration so that it appears whatever one wants? No se (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@No se The timestamps in contributions and logs are generated inside the MediaWiki code, not by a separate message. For MediaWiki:Pagetriage-articleinfo-byline/en I think it works identical, because $1 is the timestamp. AFAIK the only way to get localized Spanish timestamps is committing a patch to MediaWiki core. This is doable but I don't know why it was disabled for Spanish in 2006. Maybe for no special reason? And since 2006 no Spanish Wikipedian complained about it?

Could you provide us with a proper Spanish timestamp? Raymond 08:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Umm..., I would like the seconds to also appear in the contributions and logs (HH:mm:ss) since it is possible that in 1 minute there will be many logs and contributions No se (talk) 01:39, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Move a file

Hello, please rename File:Screenshot from 2023-10-17 17-47-24.png to File:DataMaps Source code page notice no errors.png due to my oversight when uploading. Alex4401 (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alex4401 Another file under the new name exists already. Raymond 17:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Right, I meant File:DataMaps Source code page notice with errors.png.... *sigh*. Sorry about that, had a busy day. Alex4401 (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alex4401 Done Raymond 05:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Alex4401 (talk) 08:08, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Change translate

Change '''Main Page''' translate in bcc to ''بنتاک'' the old translate is wrong

Moshtank (talk) 18:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

I changed this in the messages that just say "Main page".

Please note that there are also several other messages had the words "main page" as part of a sentence. They have to be fixed, too. I marked them as needing updated (also known as "fuzzy").

I generally recommend going over the list of all the outdated messages and updating them. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)