Maintenance of page - adding new languages

Re-runnig the script produced these unlisted languages with listed translators:

1. chb
2. dlc
3. dum
4. hsn
5. kg
6. kgp
7. krj
8. lez
9. lij
10. lus
11. mwv
12. nan
13. num
14. nv
15. och
16. prg
17. rap
18. sei
19. vmf
20. wym
21. yrl
22. za
23. bat-smg
24. fiu-vro
25. en-gb
26. zh-classical

Remarks:

• The last two are redirected to variantless portal pages. The next version of the script is going to filter redirects.
• The two codes preceeding them are obsolete, and redirect to Portal:sgs and Portal:vro, respectively. The next version of the script is going to filter redirects.
• "dlc" is an unassigned language code, at the moment. It had been deleted. Deleted versions of the Portal page say, in brief, summarized:

  Elfdalian language

  639-3 = dlc

  15924 = Latn

  translators: M.M.S. [ talk · contribs ]

  note: The code dlc was removed from ISO 639-3 before its publication, but not because it is not a separate language, but for political reasons: Sweden threatened not to ratify ISO 639-3 unless they removed this code (along with scy Scanian).

• "dum" stands for Medieval Dutch I think, but when I am not mistaken, it is not accepted as a language of its own right by many authors. Do we really use it somewhere?
• "vmf" is currently defined in ethnologue but its definition is flawed in a manner that it is not obvious, which of three different and distinct central German vernacular languages is meant, that of the city of Mainz, capitol of Rhineland-Palatinate, that of the Frankfurt/Main vincinity in South Hesse, or that of big parts of Upper Franconia in Northeastern Bavaria. The first translator in the list takes it for the latter. Don't know about the others.

Greetings - Purodha.

• zh-classical = lzh
• fiu-vro = vro
• en-gb is a variant

Thank you for the update. Most of the items on the list have not had translations added in over a year. I am adding them more or less in a block together, with date of last activity by a registered translator noted in the edit summary.

Some of the items are languages no longer supported here, for example wym and num. I do not intend to add these to the page, unless told otherwise. Unsupported languages are: ady, chb, eur, num, wbl, wym, yux.

Mh, I may have been adding wym and num too quickly, then. I might think about finding the last edit of a message of each language in the script, too, if there is a simple way to do so which I believe atm. Yet, that there was no edit is not necesasrily an indication the we have no translator, or cannot support a language - most notably for new projects. They may happen to attract and excite existing or new translators.

There is another issue - Extension Babel is able to support more languages than the ones, we usually translate to. It's only 6 or 12 messages for a full coverage, when the MediaWiki interface is not localized to that language. This poses yet another question of what "active" means.

Nothing is simple!

With regard to the last edit of a message, I ignored edits by fuzzy bot and by staff members.

There could be more supported languages where the translators haven't written their names at the bottom of the portal, or where the syntax is not the template needed by the software.

Indeed ;-)

The script catches both the template syntax and a user page link, but not a plain text name. (There are too many plain text remarks there)

Only languages having no translators listed would slip through, but are listed by the script for safety. There are only en, tokipona, and tw at the moment.

Good hint to ignore specific edits!

You should have yua on your list of supported languages with no translators - this is a new language (oops, I mean new to translatewiki.net!).

Seems neither in the list of supported languages nor having a translators subpage nor listed in this page, thus - no, it does not show up.
But it is in categories: Languages without translators, Languages, and Languages without Wikimedia projects.

Have just tried to find yua in the three categories Languages without translators, Languages and Languages without Wikimedia projects. For some reason these are listed under the letter 'U' instead of 'Y'!

Sounds like bugzilla stuff. It could be the intl category collation.

Reported on bugzilla 28736.

Some more small problems with the categorisation. Portal:Tw is not included in the category Languages without translators and this category is not listed at the bottom of the page. This language is supported although it has no translations nor any translators as yet. The portal Tokipona is also not included in the category Languages without translators but it is also not supported. I don't know enough about wiki syntax to know whether the reason for this is the way the template Portal is written, or whether it is another problem with category collation. I won't report this on bugzilla unless requested to do so by a staff member.

As of today the category Languages without translators contains 64 languages without translators which are supported by translatewiki.net, and it should contain one other language as explained above.

Just read comment Thread:User talk:Jon Harald Søby/Updating the language by language family page/reply (5). That's a word. I am certain that also this comparison can be scripted. Will look into this next time, too.

Rerunning the (updated) script revealed:

Languages with translators subpages and zero translators

1. en
2. kls
3. nv
4. skr
5. tokipona
6. tw

Languages with translators subpage being a redirect

1. bat-smg
2. bh
3. fiu-vro
4. och
5. zh-classical

Listed languages without translators subpages

1. av

Listed languages with zero translators

1. av - very occasionally is translated by users not showing Av on their Babel boxes.

Languages not listed despite translators

1. bal - redirect
2. chb - disabled
3. dlc
4. dum
5. eur - disabled
6. wbl - disabled
7. yux - disabled

Languages listed but not supported

1. ady - fixed in SupportedLanguages
2. av
3. num - removed from languages by language family list
4. wym - removed from languages by language family list

Languages supported but not listed

1. en

This looks like nearly nothing to do on it. Greetings.

Thanks

Purodha - Could you run the script again when you have a minute?

Is the above update enough or do you need even newer one?

The list was last updated on 2 September 2011, I think. Perhaps I could put the request on Purodha's talk page, so that this thread can be treated as closed by everyone else.

I see "This message was last updated 14. heinäkuuta 2012 kello 23.55" above.

Yes but it's his own edits to the old list, Niklas. Or did you mean something else? Anyway, running the script shouldn't be too difficult if it still works, let me try.

I run the script but I didn't look at it, I see that there are some hard-coded codes and I don't know what it means; is this output useful?

Languages with translators subpages and zero translators

1. dim
2. en
3. kls
4. nv
5. skr
6. sxu
7. tokipona
8. tw

Languages with translators subpage being a redirect

1. bat-smg
2. bh
3. fiu-vro
4. no
5. och
6. zh-classical

Listed languages without translators subpages

1. av
2. ksf

Listed languages with zero translators

1. av
2. ksf

Languages not listed despite translators

1. bal - redirect
2. chb - disabled
3. dlc
4. dum
5. en-ca - variant
6. eur - disabled
7. go
8. kjj - disabled
9. niq - disabled
10. num - disabled
11. osi - disabled
12. thl - disabled
13. wbl - disabled
14. wym - disabled
15. yux - disabled

Languages listed but not supported

1. av - very occasionally translated
2. ksf - very occasionally translated

Languages supported but not listed

1. en
2. en-ca

Yes, the information above is useful; thank you for running the script.