vec - vèneto
Good morning, I apologize in advance for the inconvenience. I am an admin of vec.wiki, I wanted to ask for information. Among the interwiki on the right of the page, by clicking, the names of the languages localized by continent come out. The Venetian language is found correctly on Europe, however it is official and spoken by 5 million people in southern Brazil (South America). I wanted to ask how it could be done to add it to that list too? https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/vene1258 it is said that Vèneto is spoken in Brazil. Thank you very much in advance for your reply and a good job!
Looks like I've not been clear. You have to follow the instructions at http://cldr.unicode.org/index/lang-pop-data-updates , we don't manage this data.
Good morning and many thanks for the reply. I read what is written in the link you sent, but what should I do? All the links there are all broken, there is no possibility of contact. Could you please receive help in this regard?
The question is whether you have all the information required in the bullet list after "Requests to add or change language/population data must provide the following basic information". Do you? Linking glottolog is not enough.
What am I supposed to have? The law of the Brazilian states that officialize it? Which other online database should I link to with this written to get clear answers? I have never done these procedures and I have no idea how they should be done, for this reason I ask for greater understanding and collaboration .. thanks!
Yes, a link to the law would help. Also a reliable academic source for any other claim about the language is generally useful. Once you have gathered the information, it's rather easy for anyone (you, I, or others) to relay it to the CLDR technical committee.
[1] Can this law be useful?
Usually we try to bring national laws. I'm not able to tell what status that document has and I doubt the CLDR TC is, either. It's not a law but some kind of a resolution by a municipality which claims to establish a language as "co-official", while not placing any real obligation on the public administration (it suggests to do something in schools, but does not establish teaching).
It doesn't help your case that the municipality has 2500 inhabitants and that the language they mention is not vec but a supposed Talian dialect of vec, which doesn't have its own code. I'm not sure whether we have sufficient sources to accommodate Talian within vec, but maybe. My mom is from Padua and out of curiosity I've listened to some speakers advertised as "Talian": I can understand a woman from Brasil easily, a young man from RS seems to use some foreign words and the women in Romania are quite different, probably closer to the original in Veneto.
Some better sources are mentioned at w:en:Languages of Brazil#Co-official languages in Brazil, like Lei 14.951, de 11 de novembro de 2009, which is also mostly a statement of principle. Given there are hundreds of municipalities and some states with various situations, it would be more appropriate to find some secondary source which provides a national summary, ideally with the usage in schools etc. too. Can you find the original document mentioned on the English Wikipedia as «Talian was declared to be part of the cultural heritage of Brazil (Língua e referência cultural brasileira) by the National Institute of Historic and Artistic Heritage. According to the figure given at this time, there would be about 500,000 active speakers in 133 towns»?
Thanks for the reply. Yes, municipal resolutions are those that I sent and I believe are registered. If these are not present, not understanding how it is possible that Wiki exist in regional languages, since they are not recognized by the Italian state, but by the regions. Talian is a very understandable dialect and very similar to Veneto, then it is obvious, if you find a Brazilian who tries to speak Vèneto, it is natural that you don't understand it, just because he doesn't know it! Having said that, the fact that it is a national language is not in line with the principles of the minority languages of Wikipedia, because the minority of these are recognized nationally. The Talian actually has about 1 million speakers (even if it is a low figure) as the Venetian immigrants to Brazil were many more and with generations the people increase. Having knowledge of the place, fortunately I know. I remember that within the languages of Wikipedia, there are languages even without ISO code, but since there are speakers, invented codes have been assigned. The talian (Venetian-Brazilian) is spoken by far more people and recognized by more municipalities (municipalities have many powers in Brazil). Thanks