nl-be

Hi.

If I search for messages in nl-be I get the message: “This code is not used in MediaWiki. Use 'vls'”

That’s wrong. vls is a dialect in the coastal region of Belgium, whereas nl-be is supposed to be the Belgian variant of Dutch. It should have default fallback language nl, but it might still be necessary or preferable to have some messages differ from nl.

IRC discussion. Moving this topic to the portal talk.

[16:29] <Hamaryns> Hi, the interface for nl-be says you should use vls instead.  That is
                   bullshit, vls is a dialect in West-Flanders, nl-be is Dutch spoken in
                   Belgium, there is a big difference.  Who can change that?
[16:29] <Hamaryns> Furthermore, nl-be should have default fallback nl.
[16:30] <siebrand> Hamaryns: hi. Strong words. From it I read that you disagree with the
                   current ISO 639-3, is that correct?
                   See http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=vls
[16:30] <siebrand> Hamaryns: It may be that 'vls' is being misused in the Wikimedia
                   universe for something completely different, but that doesn't make
                   what you say true.
[16:31] <siebrand> Hamaryns: In translatewiki.net nl-be is only used for one product,
                   being FreeCol.
[16:42] <Hamaryns> siebrand: hm, interesting, last time I checked Ethnologue only
                   included West-Vlaams under vls.  But that is a while ago.
[16:42] <Hamaryns> Which makes you’re right
[16:42] <Hamaryns> Also, last time I checked, the vls messages really were dialectal
                   West-Vlaams.  Terrible, really.
[16:43] <Hamaryns> But why not use nl-be for other projects?  I have nl-be as my
                   prefered language for the Wiktionary interface, for example.
[16:43] <Hamaryns> And from time to time you do see a message which feels very ‘Hollands’.
[16:44] <Hamaryns> all right, I used to have nl-be, but it is not available
[16:46] <siebrand> Hamaryns: nl-be isn't a MediaWiki localisation code in MediaWiki
                   proper - as said, we only have it at twn because it pre-existed in
                   FreeCol.
[16:47] <Hamaryns> hm, allright then
[16:48] <Hamaryns> still: why not?
[16:48] <Hamaryns> shouldn’t be a problem if you set nl as default fallback
[17:06] <siebrand> Hamaryns: no one has given a convincing reason of introducing a
                   localisation for 'standard' Flemmish yet. If there is a Dutch/nl
                   message that is hard to understand for Dutch speaking people living
                   in Belgium, I think we should first try to resolve that in the nl
                   locale.
[17:07] <siebrand> Hamaryns: so if you find any, please address them at
                   [[Portal_talk:Nl]] and I'll definitely join the discussion.
[17:08] <Hamaryns> ACK
[17:08] <Hamaryns> bye
[17:08] <siebrand> Hamaryns: or fix them yourself with a comment that explains, etc.