CLDR language names in Macedonian

"The survey tool is now closed" means that they have closed and published the last release (back in Feb, I seem to recall) and that their survey tool is not yet accepting suggestions for the next release.

Their information is difficult to follow, the documentation is nowhere to be found when you need it, I can never locate documentation that I've seen before and know exists somewhere, the search feature is useless.

But all of this is Ok when compared to their survey tool. I have found no bugs in the tool, but the whole process is impossible, because you do not know who suggested what, cannot clear doubts with other people, and they allow foreigners to make changes to languages they know little about.

Countless definitions of PLURAL are simply wrong, but they are in possession of documents written by foreign experts that say otherwise.

That pretty much sums CLDR up, as far as I'm concerned.

You may be right on all counts, but I suggest that you document all the claims (for example on Talk:CLDR), get a group of other translatewiki.net users together to verify and also document issues, and then contact the CLDR administrators with it. There are issues, I/we know, but it's all that we can rely on so far. We do not want to duplicate the effort that is being done at CLDR. Also see Todo for some long term goals I formulated a long time ago...

I wish I had the availability to rise up to the challenge. Maybe in a few months...

I really hope you find the time. I would love this issue tackled once and for all. Feel free to offer them a cooperation and/or inclusion into our platform. We'd love to be the forefront for CLDR, so only validation would have to happen there.

I started CLDRs ksh locale with a bug tracker request about a year ago, asking for the locale to be created, and access to the survey tool. Later, I used the survey tool to supply (parts of the) data. Some (quite essential) parts cannot be entered in the survey tool (yet) so I also created a set of tracker items. None of them were processed in time for the current release, if I recall that right. Missing data from those tracker items prohibited entering quite some survey tool items. Also missing documentation, and bugs in the survey tool prohibited entering some more items in the survey tool, or to correct spelling errors, etc.

I would like to support CLDR doing better. As long as their survey tool is usually closed most of the time (I assume while they are enhancing it programmatically) I see little more thyt could be done than collecting single suggested minor amendments somewhere else, however. Collecting large portions of data elsewhere does imho not make sense, because it duplicates labour; so better wait for the survey tool to become available the next time and do it only once.

With the given processing model, I believe, it will normally take at least 3 years, until a missing locale would be rather complete - not necessarily bug-free of course.

I shall collect CLDR data to be amended in Talk:CLDR, but things not supported by the survey tool, suggested enhancements of data structures, the survey tool, the workflow, etc. should imho go directly to their tracker asap.