!!FUZZY!! message exported?

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Docs on fuzzy clarified, no way to prevent export.

Hi, it would appear that messages marked !!FUZZY!! were exported in the latest load. See, for example MediaWiki:Specialloguserlabel/tyv at English Wikipedia and compare with it here.

Fuzzy messages have always been exported. This hasn't changed.

Oops. The advice on FAQ#!!FUZZY!! is: "When changes are committed to the master copy kept on Mediawiki.org, all occurrences of "!!FUZZY!!" are not exported. So you will not find !!FUZZY!! appearing on any wiki other than translatewiki.net. When you have checked the current translation against the new English version, and made any changes to the translation (or none) then just delete the !!FUZZY!! mark, and the message will be committed in the usual way."

Is this wrong?

!!FUZZY!! string itself is removed, but it does not prevent exports.

FAQ has been clarified.

Mmm confusing. I don't agree that the FAQ is any clearer. For example, it says "You can insert !!FUZZY!! yourself, for example in partially translated long messages, or so as to mark messages needing further testing and checking before you can be sure that translation, formatting, and so on, are 100% correct.". I don't want partially translated long messages being exported. It looks bad. I do want to be able to partially translate long messages. There should be an easier way to suggest translations and partial translations to other translators without them being exported.

Fair point. Amended again, and please amend further yourself if needed.

I don't see the point. If you translate a message partially, why should it not be exported? The untranslated message will be shown untranlated as well. A partial translation is even more of a translation than the original message. Thus it is generally perferable to have a partial translated message rather than an untranslated one.

I agree that, having a second type of !!FUZZY!! string inhibiting export would add desirable flexibility.

I would prefer my draft translations into Swahili (not my native language) not to be exported before being proofread by a native speaker.

That's an unsupported use case. If you don't feel you can contribute to a locale at a sufficient level, don't.

Two contradictive experiences:

• I know sufficiently well how to translate some simple messages to Low German, but I am not used to either of the specific orthograpy systems being used by nds, and nds-NL, translators in the WMF context, so I make errors. Too many. They asked me, not to help, since spelling corrections were as much labour as typing from scratch.
• In another context, of a non-European language, I heared quie the opposite: "If we did not have that non-native computer-literate helper, who contributes the hard stuff, we were lacking half of our translations, even though we have to make many adjustments and corrections."

So I see it as a community matter, contributing stuff mainly to be revised before published may be, or may be not, a good way of workhsare. That said, I think, eiher should be supported in the best thinkable future of all.