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The Nogai language has also latin alphabet. Please put it also to the portal.

And please avoid spamming this support page almost every day (and even multiple times on the same day), because it won't have more success, but can irritate many others. You also don't need to create a new thread each time; the same thread can be reused, and one message edited with a dummy edit to just move the existing thread up in the list, but if it has been forgotten for too long or if you have new things to add or update. But we don't need multiple threads on the same topic for the same request, consider that this support page is not just for your request and that there are also other unrelated requests to honor and that will be discussed by others (even if you are not interested in these other talks.

You can be impatient, but consider that others don't like to be sollicitated again and again for your same demand, because you're "hiding" all other requests that constantly go down below all your multiple threads. Nogay is not the only language to be supported here, even if I agree that it should have Latin listed as a legit script.

So I suggest merging all these threads into one (but now you are forcing admins to make maintenance to depollute the support page: they may just decide to delete all your repeated threads and all its messages and responses). And givene that you do not listen what admins ask you, you risk being blocked on this wiki or blocked from posting messages on this support page because they'll consider you are spamming (repeated posting of unsollicated duplicate messages). Think about the consequences, you don't help anyone, not even yourself. I already suggested you to fond conacts with other users supporting it and giving also their own reason of why they want to use the Latin script in Nogay for wikis and applications supported by TWN.

There's already a place for that: the existing talk page of Portal_talk:Nog, where all evidences and requests can be posted, without adding more threads to the global Support page (and not necessarily as well in private user talk pages because this request is not specific for a single user but for a larger Nogay community). As well there's a space in community talk pages in Commons, MetaWiki (for their internatiolization), and in Wikipedia, Wikitionary or Wikisource (in a few editions for relevant languages), where you'll possibly find supporters that may come here to report in Portal_talk:Nog about their decision. If Portal_talk:Nog advances, then a basic pointer link to the Support (in only one existing thread) will be enough to reconsider your demand.

I'm very sorry about my impatience, what I'm meaning was to put the latin alphabet with disable sign to the portal.

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Portal:Nog&diff=10685295&oldid=10683818

I also STRONGLY disagree with Amire80 very bad decision to not even allow mentioning the existence of the Latin script and references to it (even if it is disabled for now), and as well the fact that he also unfarily removed the link to Portal:Nog/Latn-Cyrl transliteration lower in the page (it was also necessary to discuss and provide a correct translteration scheme), and then completely block the portal from edition by any one except himself.

Amire80 certainly does NOT know better that language than you, and has blocked other local community members to discuss it correctly. He just blocked all discussions for very bad reasons, based on false assumptions with things he clearly does not know, or the false perception he has (from a remote northern location in Russia), as if there was no Nogai speakers elsewhere all around the northern and western coast of the Black Sea (notably in Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey). Those native speakers living today in Romania and Turkey DO use the Latin script.

This Amire80's decision is also clearly politically oriented, may be influenced by the ongoing Russian war (yes that's the correct word, even if Russian authorities do not accept it) against the "west" (including Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, and Turkey... that's what Mr Putin affirms every day on all Russian-state-controlled medias and has enforced by unfair laws). May be Amire80 is not himself free of his own speech online, so another non-Russian admin not living in Russia should take over that decision against Amire80.

Also Amire80 made this comment as the reason for blocking the page: "edit warring". The effective truth is that Amire80 was the only author of this edit war, by doing SEVEN reverts without any discussion (and refusing to duiscuss) and against the opinions of other users. That's an abuse of privilege, he whould not have had the right to block that page because it was the direct author of this edit war. There are many proofs that show that language IS effectively written in the Latin script (proofs exist in Romania and Turkey, two countries where the language is officially recognized and taught using a Latin alphabet, with minor typographic variants in diacritics between Turkey and Romania, such as the "cedilla" used in Turkey instead of the "comma below" in Romania, or the "breve" possibly replaced by a "caron": this matches with common keyboards used in Romania and Turkey to write the standard Romanian and Turkish languages; In both countries, Nogay is NOT written at all using Cyrillic; Nogay is NOT the same language as Crimean Tatar found in Crimea, and elsewhere in Ukraine and Russia, where it uses the Cyrillic script). The only place where the Nogay language is written in the Cyrillic alphabet is in Bulgaria (but it is not recognized there, and may be confused with Crimean Tatar).