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Adding a new language, ISO 639-3: ldn (Request)

Adding a new language, ISO 639-3: ldn (Request)

Láadan is a constructed language (while checking to see if portal:ldn already existed, I found it was linked to by languages by language family/Artificial so I see TWiki considers this a relevant consideration for languages) with an Incubated Wikipedia, a set of dictionary entries, several source texts, a libre grammar, and various media hosted on Commons. Outside of the Wikimedia sphere, it is used for comics, music, and zines (among other applications as a general-purpose language).


Álo (talk)06:11, 27 February 2022
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Yes the Portal:Ldn was linked (but did not exist for now, like with many languages with assigned ISO 639 codes: the pages for "languages by family" are there to help locate languages and related languages, to find relevant ones and avoid confusions of codes for such creation, or incorrect use of codes; that's why those links are shown in red in these lists until the effective portal is created, because someone wants to register as one user of that language, not necessarily as a translator for a supported project).

I have made the initial portal and categorized it (because there's an attempt to create a Wikipedia Incubator, though it is almost empty, however there are terminologic lists and documents stored in specific categories of other Wikimedia projects).

If you want indicate that you understand it, you can still register it in your user page (inside the {{#babel: ... }}); If you want to support that language and want to become one of its future translators you can register yourself inside the portal.

However to support it, there's a need to have maintainers with real translators working in a team (or wanting to create suich a team, i.e. accepting to not work alone). You should contact contributors that created glossaries in other Wikimedia projects. The external wikipedia:en:Láadan page gives a list of contributed contents at end, visit them and see if you find interested people for creating a translated UI for MediaWiki, not just for Wikimedia projects but any wiki including possible "wikizines" (hosted for example in FanZone, formerly wikia, but note that Wikia itself is no longer supported directly here, except for the MediaWiki core and standard extensions), or eventually for other projects which are (or could be) supported by translatewiki.net (including other wiki hosting providers like BlueSpice).

I cannot enable it myself in the Translate UI (only a site admin can, and will reply below if this is done). So for now the portal and its related categories is still marked as a "disabled language"

(notably the |no-15924=1 parameter in the Portal template is there to avoid linking its default script (Latin) to the Translate UI, where it would still not work and would instead start proposing translations to another unrelated language, and would pollute it).

You can check if the language is enabled (in the Translate UI of translatewiki.net) by looking at the bottom of Special:ActiveLanguages/ldn. Only when this will be enabled, can these markings for "'disabled languages" be removed from the portal and its category or subcategories.

Verdy p (talk)06:39, 27 February 2022

Thanks -- I have added my babel code* to my user page (and at Metawiki also so it shows up on various sister wikis) and plan to add myself to the portal when possible, and I emailed some fellow Láadaná I've been in touch with before (and searching the net for skilled others is also a good idea). Now I'll wait for a site admin to see this thread.

*Looking forward to translate the strings for this in particular, although I wonder about the -N variant for languages with no proper native speakers like Láadan (although some of my fellows I believe would handily count as ldn-4). edit: I see localisation guidelines#Translate, don't customize so I presume such concerns are beyond a given task of translating?

P.S. Did you mean Fandom? I don't see a FanZone in search results that looks relevant.

Álo (talk)09:05, 27 February 2022

Yes I meant Fanzone (the successor of defunct Wikia, whose support was ended here as the new company refused any communication; we don't know how they've tuned Mediawiki for their local use; but if they translate something, they do it by themselves or with their own tools, or via their own support)

Verdy p (talk)14:13, 27 February 2022
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Last edit: 06:50, 25 September 2022

phabricator ticket for the WD side of things: phab:T302705

update: patch has been submitted

update2: patch was edited to exclude ldn before being merged, but the topic is now in discussion at d:wikidata:report a technical problem#Adding a new language code, ISO 639-3: ldn (followup).

Álo (talk)01:03, 7 June 2022